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Lebanon Valley - Coaching Change

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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
I look at it like this... Lindenwood, Penn State, and Rhode Island playing lower-tier DIII teams is like Plattsburgh, Middlebury (except this year's edition), Norwich, Oswego, Elmira, and SNC playing lower-tier DI teams. They would compete much better than some of the the teams in the level above them, but they would be below .500 without a doubt. (unless they joined a bull**** conference like Atlantic Hockey (like RIT did;) )Maybe after a decade or so at the higher level, they might be able to compete (like Bemidji State), but it would not be an immediate impact.

So, to sum it all up:
ACHA D1 is to NCAA DIII as NCAA DIII is to NCAAA DI.

Now, when looking at ACHA D2 and D3, it becomes a little hazy. I'm not so sure the best teams in D2 wouldn't be right up there in D1. Of course, I'm probably a little biased in that regard...
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Siena sucks.:p

You should have gone to Elmira.:D

Headed to the post office right now to mail your shirt.
 
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Pops Ryan said:
Scott B.,
I have no desire to cast aspersions on any contributors to the thread but do have a critical need for accuracy on certain items and hope that you can shed some light.
#1 - I was told by an LVC alumnus that their Head Coaching position had gone PT with a stipend. Please advise.
#2 - I am not aware of any ACHA program with a paid Full Time Coach. Is it possible that Alvernia would actually consider doing so?
Considering that my ulterior motives are fairly apparent, I appreciate your guidance all the more. Many Thanks !
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Pops Ryan,

A significant portion of DIII head coaching positions are not full time. Many, including almost all of them in the ECAC West, combine the head coaching job with other jobs at the school (assistant athletic director, teaching positions, athletic director, coaching other teams during other seasons, rink manager, etc).

I believe the LVC head coaching position was in a similar arrangement.

I would be surprised to find any of the ACHA coaching positions are 100% full-time exclusively hockey coaching jobs.

Hope this helps.
 
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norm1909 said:
Article on NHL.com Regarding ACHA Hockey
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Norm --

Good find!

My impression from off-icing some ACHA games and watching Penn State @ Salem State's tournament last year...

The top level ACHA 1 teams would be a contender in the ECAC-NE. I believe they would be around .500 (probably a bit under) in the Interlock.

But -- there are only a few ACHA teams that could do that. If Maryland's team played Lebanon Valley, LVC would paste them.
 
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joecct said:
Norm --

Good find!

My impression from off-icing some ACHA games and watching Penn State @ Salem State's tournament last year...

The top level ACHA 1 teams would be a contender in the ECAC-NE. I believe they would be around .500 (probably a bit under) in the Interlock.

But -- there are only a few ACHA teams that could do that. If Maryland's team played Lebanon Valley, LVC would paste them.
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This caught my eye too:

Austin Miller, a defenseman at the University of Oklahoma, a top-ranked Division I ACHA program. Miller, a junior from Dallas, played NCAA Division I hockey at Providence College before a coaching change there pushed him to transfer.

"I knew a few people that had gone this route and I talked to them and asked questions about it," said Miller, who has 24 points in 16 games for the 14-2-0 Sooners. "Then I watched a game and saw that the talent level (gap) wasn't as big as I thought.
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I seem to recall a current ECAC-E coach once coached at Providence and was succeeded by Paul Pooley, who left in 2005 - likely the "coaching change" mentioned above.
 
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ACHA teams with Full-Time Coaches
penn state
Illinois
lindenwood
adrian
canton
davenport
liberty

Lindenwood would give a lot of Division 3 teams a run for their money, there is a lot of bad ACHA teams, top 5 or 8 teams in club would be competitive with many Division 3 teams. I don't know about beating Plattsburgh, Oswego, Middlebury, etc. but they wouldn't be blown out.

ACHA hockey is getting better and more competitive, schools like Lindenwood don't charge to play hockey but a lot of ACHA teams do. Lindenwood has impressive roster as well.
 
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AmericanCollegeHockey said:
Lindenwood would give a lot of Division 3 teams a run for their money, there is a lot of bad ACHA teams, top 5 or 8 teams in club would be competitive with many Division 3 teams. I don't know about beating Plattsburgh, Oswego, Middlebury, etc. but they wouldn't be blown out.
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LOL yea okay...you keep smoking what you're smoking....
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
LOL yea okay...you keep smoking what you're smoking....
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Give him credit, they probably wouldn't be blown out by Middlebury this year. Like I said, they're probably a .500 or slightly less team in DIII... and Middlebury has shown that they aren't much better than that this year.
 
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AmericanCollegeHockey said:
ACHA teams with Full-Time Coaches
penn state
Illinois
lindenwood
adrian
canton
davenport
liberty

Lindenwood would give a lot of Division 3 teams a run for their money, there is a lot of bad ACHA teams, top 5 or 8 teams in club would be competitive with many Division 3 teams. I don't know about beating Plattsburgh, Oswego, Middlebury, etc. but they wouldn't be blown out.

ACHA hockey is getting better and more competitive, schools like Lindenwood don't charge to play hockey but a lot of ACHA teams do. Lindenwood has impressive roster as well.
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Im pretty sure they would get blown out...umass-boston beat penn state 7-4 and im pretty sure umass-boston would get blown out by plattsburgh and oswego most nights...obviously if there was a hot goalie or something things could change but a vast majority of the time i would say the game would not be close
 
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Every year, a couple of ACHA teams play some D3 teams. The ACHA teams approach these games as their final championship game of sorts, while the D3 teams generally play their backup goalie a bit, and play their sub’s more than usual. The D3 teams win these games generally by close scores.

The issue is the ACHA teams do not have deep enough rosters, and are not conditioned to play at the D3 game level night in, night out. Over the course of a full D3 season, most top ACHA teams would experience 20 losses a season, until they get used to the level of play, and until they have a couple of higher level recruiting seasons under their belt. I do agree the gap is getting closer though.
 
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I wonder how close this thread is to the discussion of good DIII teams competing at the D1 level (RIT, et. al).

RIT has shown that in a relatively short period of time that they can compete within their conference, but are probably miles away from being at a N. Dak or BC level.
 
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Valley skaters moving forward

"We've got 30 student-athletes out there," said Beard, referring to the hockey team, "and we want them to have a great experience. Right now, our concern is meeting the immediate needs of the players. That's my focus, that's my main goal."

The resignation of Russell did not change Herr's coaching status. Lebanon Valley has decided not to designate an interim head coach, Beard said. Herr and Anastas, who has been sidelined by an injury, are sharing the coaching duties and are meeting with Beard daily to discuss the progress of the team.
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AGPennypacker said:
I wonder how close this thread is to the discussion of good DIII teams competing at the D1 level (RIT, et. al).

RIT has shown that in a relatively short period of time that they can compete within their conference, but are probably miles away from being at a N. Dak or BC level.
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Lets not go there ;)
 
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Hockey NutCase said:
Every year, a couple of ACHA teams play some D3 teams. The ACHA teams approach these games as their final championship game of sorts, while the D3 teams generally play their backup goalie a bit, and play their sub’s more than usual. The D3 teams win these games generally by close scores.

The issue is the ACHA teams do not have deep enough rosters, and are not conditioned to play at the D3 game level night in, night out. Over the course of a full D3 season, most top ACHA teams would experience 20 losses a season, until they get used to the level of play, and until they have a couple of higher level recruiting seasons under their belt. I do agree the gap is getting closer though.
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I agree but Potsdam dressed their starting goalie and their "guns" only won 3-1 over SUNY Canton but outshot Canton 45-17, Canton is Top 30 team in ACHA D1, might make Nationals, Potsdam is somewhere between Top 20-25 team, they will make the SUNYAC playoffs (more than likely)

The gap between D3 and ACHA D1 is getting smaller by the year, Lindenwood is only going to get stronger, kids are learning about the ACHA every day and pretty soon teams will be recruiting head to head with the Lindenwood's and Liberty's of the world.

I'm not saying Lindenwood playing as a D3 team would make Nationals but they wouldn't embarrass themselves.
 
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Potsdam is 7-9-2 and 7th in the sunyac. 20-25th in the country? Top 30 might be a stretch for them.

Also, shot totals that disparate aren't usually a good example of closing the gap. Games like that, or Kent state's game vs Oswego are usually better indicators of a good goalie moreso than the two temas being close to equal 5x5
 
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one_to7 said:
Potsdam is 7-9-2 and 7th in the sunyac. 20-25th in the country? Top 30 might be a stretch for them.

Also, shot totals that disparate aren't usually a good example of closing the gap. Games like that, or Kent state's game vs Oswego are usually better indicators of a good goalie moreso than the two temas being close to equal 5x5
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Maybe at the start of the season the Top 30 might have been a stretch, but as of today, certainly within the top 20-25. Ask Plattsburgh or Norwich. Yeah, Elmira won, but the 13 penalties for 42 minutes got them.
 
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AmericanCollegeHockey said:
I agree but Potsdam dressed their starting goalie and their "guns" only won 3-1 over SUNY Canton but outshot Canton 45-17, Canton is Top 30 team in ACHA D1, might make Nationals, Potsdam is somewhere between Top 20-25 team, they will make the SUNYAC playoffs (more than likely)

The gap between D3 and ACHA D1 is getting smaller by the year, Lindenwood is only going to get stronger, kids are learning about the ACHA every day and pretty soon teams will be recruiting head to head with the Lindenwood's and Liberty's of the world.

I'm not saying Lindenwood playing as a D3 team would make Nationals but they wouldn't embarrass themselves.
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I'm not sure what is more ridiculous, this or your computer rankings. Just stop with the club hockey nonsense. No one here cares about it.
 
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