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Lebanon Valley - Coaching Change

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The team did get support from the administration when they first started, but haven't had any for a few years now.

The school is about a ten minute drive from Hershey Park. Those teams were very good back then, with some great players. Looking back, in 2001-02 they had a 17 game winning streak! It's a sad time for all of us who have been fans and supporters of the team from the very beginning. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see any way they'll field a team next year.
 
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LVCAlum said:
The team did get support from the administration when they first started, but haven't had any for a few years now.

The school is about a ten minute drive from Hershey Park. Those teams were very good back then, with some great players. Looking back, in 2001-02 they had a 17 game winning streak! It's a sad time for all of us who have been fans and supporters of the team from the very beginning. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see any way they'll field a team next year.
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With the passing of Walt Smith last month it sounds like they lost one of their biggest "administrative" supporters, I wouldn't be surprised if it his absence that has embolden others to end the program.
 
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It is difficult to compete at this level with a part-time coach who makes next to nothing and has little time to recruit. He may have been in a bit to deep, but few will have the desire to replace him under these conditions ? Lebanon Valley needs to hire a Full Time Coach if they have any desire to continue with their program.
 
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Pops Ryan said:
It is difficult to compete at this level with a part-time coach who makes next to nothing and has little time to recruit. He may have been in a bit to deep, but few will have the desire to replace him under these conditions ? Lebanon Valley needs to hire a Full Time Coach if they have any desire to continue with their program.
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My guess is with them trying to cut the program a few years ago and the expense of supporting a hockey team, especially with the travel Lebanon Valley has in comparison to say NY teams or ECAC Northeast teams, there is no way LVC will consider hiring a full-time coach.
 
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A "reliable" source told me that they will not be doing any discussions about the situation until after the end of the season.
 
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joecct said:
Many schools with an off campus rink don't offer live stats. Heck a few with an on campus rink don't offer them either!!!
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Sadly, it is true, that there are schools (more than just LVC) that can spend a couple hundred thousand dollars or more to field a hockey team yet can't use a work-study or temp-service student to enter the Live Stats (or some form of live coverage). A rink being off campus shouldn't be an issue in 2010, if by some freak chance internet service isn't already available, given the relative low cost of service; it shouldn't be too difficult, even in these economic times, to find a sponsor(s) to get service. Live Stats, particularly for a school already using ICS (SideArm) or PrestoSports gives the team a live presence, allowing alumni, parents, students and others to connect with the sports. I don't suspect an immediate quantifiable return-on-investment, but I do believe, as word-of-mouth and general interest increase, the payback will be real. At a minimum, for those schools offering it for ANY sport, not offering it for all, shows disrespect.
 
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He was a full time coach with a full time assistant had a 5 year contract. They have a rink basically right down the street now. The major drawback is the cost, and the admissions process in order for them to compete they need someone who is academically able and basically need to dole out major financial aid to at least a minimum of 6-10 players each year in order to compete with the rest of the West teams. They do it for football and basketball over there they have to open it up across the board for all teams including the hockey program. What I have to laugh at is the fact that they have like 12 Football Coaches but I guess that's because they have like 99 kids on the football roster.

PrezdeJohnson09 said:
My guess is with them trying to cut the program a few years ago and the expense of supporting a hockey team, especially with the travel Lebanon Valley has in comparison to say NY teams or ECAC Northeast teams, there is no way LVC will consider hiring a full-time coach.
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So would Calvin College those teams are very well funded and supported by the school and have a big rivalry would definitely like to see them move up to NCAA Div. III status.

Alvernia College in Reading, PA is a completely funded ACHA program rink is 10 minutes from campus admissions standards are lax because they have already like increased enrollment through the hockey team by offering a club team that is fully sponsored under the athletics department. Just needs a knowledgeable full time coach.

Scranton is another program that could do something if they had the right coach and it was full time, although the admissions standards are fairly high but most Junior players take comm. college courses so it should be easy to transfer in.

I remember hearing that one of the Penn State branches were talking about going Div. III at one time near Philadelphia and were approached and again the West officials never followed through with a formal meeting.

Why the ECAC people have not made time and effort to put in the effort to contact these schools and actually go out and meet with them I have no idea but actually the same morons that had a NY school approach them about membership only to dismiss them. If the West gets screwed it's there own faults because they just don't seem to care one way or another.



AVFC said:
This is what I am afraid of. I don't want to see any DIII schools drop their programs. Now the Flying Dutchmen of Hope College (mentioned above) would be a perfect addition to the MCHA.
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cooperalls said:
Scranton is another program that could do something if they had the right coach and it was full time, although the admissions standards are fairly high but most Junior players take comm. college courses so it should be easy to transfer in.
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Every time somebody suggests Scranton, the ECAC West cognoscenti remark about the past incarnation of Scranton as an ECAC West program and the lack of commitment.

cooperalls said:
Why the ECAC people have not made time and effort to put in the effort to contact these schools and actually go out and meet with them I have no idea but actually the same morons that had a NY school approach them about membership only to dismiss them. If the West gets screwed it's there own faults because they just don't seem to care one way or another.
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Which school is that? Canton?
 
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cooperalls said:
Why the ECAC people have not made time and effort to put in the effort to contact these schools and actually go out and meet with them I have no idea but actually the same morons that had a NY school approach them about membership only to dismiss them. If the West gets screwed it's there own faults because they just don't seem to care one way or another.
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Cooperalls, Nothing in the above paragraph is accurate.
 
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Scott B.,
I have no desire to cast aspersions on any contributors to the thread but do have a critical need for accuracy on certain items and hope that you can shed some light.
#1 - I was told by an LVC alumnus that their Head Coaching position had gone PT with a stipend. Please advise.
#2 - I am not aware of any ACHA program with a paid Full Time Coach. Is it possible that Alvernia would actually consider doing so?
Considering that my ulterior motives are fairly apparent, I appreciate your guidance all the more. Many Thanks !
 
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Pops Ryan said:
Scott B.,
I have no desire to cast aspersions on any contributors to the thread but do have a critical need for accuracy on certain items and hope that you can shed some light.
#1 - I was told by an LVC alumnus that their Head Coaching position had gone PT with a stipend. Please advise.
#2 - I am not aware of any ACHA program with a paid Full Time Coach. Is it possible that Alvernia would actually consider doing so?
Considering that my ulterior motives are fairly apparent, I appreciate your guidance all the more. Many Thanks !
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Lindenwood has a full-time coach, few other schools as well. Lindenwood would give a lot of D3 schools a run for their money.
 
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altazo said:
Fixed it for you. Penn State and Rhode Island's results in some D3 tournaments back it up as well...
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I was wondering this same thing. The only decent club hockey team I've seen though was Kent State and Oswego beat them 6-2 and outshot them 60-17 or something along those lines.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
I was wondering this same thing. The only decent club hockey team I've seen though was Kent State and Oswego beat them 6-2 and outshot them 60-17 or something along those lines.
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I look at it like this... Lindenwood, Penn State, and Rhode Island playing lower-tier DIII teams is like Plattsburgh, Middlebury (except this year's edition), Norwich, Oswego, Elmira, and SNC playing lower-tier DI teams. They would compete much better than some of the the teams in the level above them, but they would be below .500 without a doubt. (unless they joined a bull**** conference like Atlantic Hockey (like RIT did;) )Maybe after a decade or so at the higher level, they might be able to compete (like Bemidji State), but it would not be an immediate impact.

So, to sum it all up:
ACHA D1 is to NCAA DIII as NCAA DIII is to NCAAA DI.

Now, when looking at ACHA D2 and D3, it becomes a little hazy. I'm not so sure the best teams in D2 wouldn't be right up there in D1. Of course, I'm probably a little biased in that regard...
 
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Article on NHL.com Regarding ACHA Hockey

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Your top teams in (ACHA) Division I would be very competitive against NCAA Division III teams," says Derek Schaub, the coach at Lindenwood University, a Division I school on the outskirts of St. Louis. "Can we go up and down the ice with Division III powers like Oswego and St. Norbert? Yeah, we can go up and down the ice with them. But could we win on a consistent basis? I don't know."

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ACHA grads have gone on to play pro hockey at several levels -- Iowa State's Glenn Detulleo is the captain of the Kalamazoo Wings of the International Hockey League.
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A post-graduate job in hockey is not the end-game for most ACHA participants. For most, the simple joy of being able to play hockey while getting a college education is reward enough.
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