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StateofHockey78 said:
I'm not a OSU/PSU supporter and I don't push the B1G on people either, but the schedules don't surprise me. Are they weak non-conf schedules? Absolutely, but that is not uncommon. All the power conferences schedule games at a fairly equal rate with the weaker schools (NCHC played 10 games against AHA, B1G 11, HEA 20. NCHC played 21 games against the CCHA, B1G 15, HEA 2. NCHC 10 against ECAC, B1G 3, HEA 48).

If I was in their shoes and I saw what MN & Michigan (and ND/Wisco to a lesser extent) were bringing in every year talent wise, I would not want to load up my non-conference schedule on top of an already challenging conference either (unless I felt what I had in the current class of players was a serious contender). If your team is mid-level or worse then yes the goal is grind out a .500 conference record and hope you can take care of business in non-conference (College Basketball is a prime example of this strategy working time after time for mid-level teams). I think Rohlik/OSU does a better job landing a few top talent players, but neither of these schools is competing with the top schools nationally in terms of recruits IMO. PSU and OSU for example are not going to be stealing many recruits from DU, NoDak, UMD, St. Cloud, BU, BC, MN , Mich, etc, etc.
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Two things.

First, tOSU guy was calling WMU's schedule pathetic, when their OOC schedule is a joke. WMU faced Michigan, Notre Dame, Michigan Tech, Northeastern in OOC games. We could have had Michigan State but they dodged us at the GLI by losing to Ferris State in the opening round. Guess it's a B10 thing. ;-)

Second, If you schedule tough and play well then you get rewarded. We played 5 games against HE/B10 schools, and played the second place finisher in the CCHA (can I get a MTU/FSU final please). So forgive me if I don't buy the talk about not scheduling hard games because you're in a tough conference.
 
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Bronco said:
Two things.

First, tOSU guy was calling WMU's schedule pathetic, when their OOC schedule is a joke. WMU faced Michigan, Notre Dame, Michigan Tech, Northeastern in OOC games. We could have had Michigan State but they dodged us at the GLI by losing to Ferris State in the opening round. Guess it's a B10 thing. ;-)

Second, If you schedule tough and play well then you get rewarded. We played 5 games against HE/B10 schools, and played the second place finisher in the CCHA (can I get a MTU/FSU final please). So forgive me if I don't buy the talk about not scheduling hard games because you're in a tough conference.
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Let me clarify. I could have been clearer in my choice of words. I was calling Western's opponent last weekend pathetic, not their overall schedule. And still, I conceded that I was OK with their staying ahead of us, and my real problem was with PSU staying ahead of us.
 
Curious if anyone knows the NPI formula and maybe spent the effort to insert it into this year's stats?
 
Bronco said:
Two things.

First, tOSU guy was calling WMU's schedule pathetic, when their OOC schedule is a joke. WMU faced Michigan, Notre Dame, Michigan Tech, Northeastern in OOC games. We could have had Michigan State but they dodged us at the GLI by losing to Ferris State in the opening round. Guess it's a B10 thing. ;-)

Second, If you schedule tough and play well then you get rewarded. We played 5 games against HE/B10 schools, and played the second place finisher in the CCHA (can I get a MTU/FSU final please). So forgive me if I don't buy the talk about not scheduling hard games because you're in a tough conference.
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Are we reading the same thread? I'm not defending anyone's schedule here, nor bashing WMU's. I'm also not selling the idea PSU has a master strategy that all teams should adopt. I simply get why some mediocre teams schedule that way. Gadowsky even admits it himself in past interviews. I'm not even a fan of the teams mentioned here, just sharing an opinion on why I think they do it. The coach gets paid to win and at this stage of PSU's newer program I doubt anyone is clamoring about his scheduling or lack of NCAA titles.
 
giwan said:
Curious if anyone knows the NPI formula and maybe spent the effort to insert it into this year's stats?
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working on this. I know it includes win %, opp average NPI which provides a SOS component, and I think there is still a QWB applied as well. I'll see what I can find.
 
Bronco said:
LOL. Says the guy that didn't even schedule a NCHC team this season. If you want better comparisons then play at least one series against the other big conferences instead of loading up on wins against Atlantic Hockey celler dwellers.
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Big Ten teams went 10-0-1 vs. Atlantic Hockey this season. NCHC teams went 6-4-0 vs. Atlantic Hockey this season.
 
StateofHockey78 said:
working on this. I know it includes win %, opp average NPI which provides a SOS component, and I think there is still a QWB applied as well. I'll see what I can find.
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Ask the guy on the women's board. He has it, and learned to properly apply for the women this year.
 
mookie1995 said:
Since bi6 has 5 teams they can meet in the first round, right?
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They only have 4 in this bracket. Michigan State and Notre Dame are currently on the outside looking in.

As for the bracket it looks like swapping OSU and Western Michigan would be a fairly simple switch.
 
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He didn't mention anything about it so I think he simply forgot they are in same conference. But someone should have caught it!
 
What on earth needs to play out in order for Notre Dame to still get in? Not my team, but dang, if there's a 0.3% chance (*insert that Jim Carey meme*), I wanna know what that ridiculous outlying scenario or two is!

Half the results I plug in to CHN's customizer bring up a "Gateway error"
 
Eddie Schorr said:
Let me clarify. I could have been clearer in my choice of words. I was calling Western's opponent last weekend pathetic, not their overall schedule. And still, I conceded that I was OK with their staying ahead of us, and my real problem was with PSU staying ahead of us.
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Fair enough. I did kind of forget you're the guy that trashes Miami at any opportunity.
 
StateofHockey78 said:
Are we reading the same thread? I'm not defending anyone's schedule here, nor bashing WMU's. I'm also not selling the idea PSU has a master strategy that all teams should adopt. I simply get why some mediocre teams schedule that way. Gadowsky even admits it himself in past interviews. I'm not even a fan of the teams mentioned here, just sharing an opinion on why I think they do it. The coach gets paid to win and at this stage of PSU's newer program I doubt anyone is clamoring about his scheduling or lack of NCAA titles.
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I was only talking about tOSU. But I will say that playing a weaker OOC schedule with 2 AHA and one independent did them no favors. It is hard to get a good schedule - I get that. You don't know if a team will be good or not at any given year, but you can at least schedule some teams in the major conferences and hope they do well. At the very least it gives you some more comparisons for the PWR.
 
Bronco said:
I was only talking about tOSU. But I will say that playing a weaker OOC schedule with 2 AHA and one independent did them no favors. It is hard to get a good schedule - I get that. You don't know if a team will be good or not at any given year, but you can at least schedule some teams in the major conferences and hope they do well. At the very least it gives you some more comparisons for the PWR.
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Did Ohio State no favors? They banked wins. Doesn't appear to have hurt them.
 
Both of you are right. OSU and PSU scheduled incredibly weak NC opponents. If they scheduled "better" NC opponents, it would increase their RPI/PWR compared to where they currently are. They could make the argument, the B1G is a historically strong conference and beating up on NC opponents does them more good than playing stronger NC opponents. They get the SOS bonus playing/beating Minnesota and Michigan.

With that said, This isn't football polls where head to head is the be all end all. PSU had a significant lead in PW/RPI before the series. Their win gave them just enough of a boost to say in front of OSU. Where OSU has a glaring weakness in their record is their non-conference SOS. If it was stronger, OSU could have leapfrogged PSU taking 2 out of 3 games. Where they are now, is how the numbers fell out.

PS don't be shocked if OSU drops PWR/RPI if they lose in the next round.
 
People seem to forget that a team's movement doesn't occur in a vacuum. The results of games you don't play can and often do affect your PWR.

Remember the PWR is a snapshot of the entire season across all of college hockey, not something that you add points to like conference standings.
 
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