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Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
Jeebus. If they're resorting to dropping water on the outside of the reactors they might as well be dumping cement. What the hell is water being dumped from helicopters going to do? Say you are really, really good at aiming and there is no wind. You might get what? 75% of the water on the reactor? You do this once every few minutes? I just can't imagine this doing anything significant. All it does it tell me that the final containment has been probably been breached.
Jeebus. If they're resorting to dropping water on the outside of the reactors they might as well be dumping cement. What the hell is water being dumped from helicopters going to do? Say you are really, really good at aiming and there is no wind. You might get what? 75% of the water on the reactor? You do this once every few minutes? I just can't imagine this doing anything significant. All it does it tell me that the final containment has been probably been breached.
Biddco
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Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
120 confirmed, 230,000 estimated. Wowza
Double that.!!!!
120 confirmed, 230,000 estimated. Wowza
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
Because the core has catastrophically melted through everything and is on it's way to the center of the earth!!!! Duh.
That's curious. I'm the last person to buy into this kind of garbage, but are we really getting the truth from TEPCO or the Japanese government?
Because the core has catastrophically melted through everything and is on it's way to the center of the earth!!!! Duh.
That's curious. I'm the last person to buy into this kind of garbage, but are we really getting the truth from TEPCO or the Japanese government?
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
If most of the ongoing release was from a fire in the spent fuel for reactor 4 and that fire has burned out or been put out, then that might be consistent with falling radiation levels outside the facility.
If most of the ongoing release was from a fire in the spent fuel for reactor 4 and that fire has burned out or been put out, then that might be consistent with falling radiation levels outside the facility.
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
When this whole incident first happened, I wasn't really too worried. After all, the Japanese Defense Force has all that experience fighting those monsters and everything.
Then I started thinking. Holy crap! They're always getting their butt's kicked and everything ends up destroyed.
I fear this could end badly.
When this whole incident first happened, I wasn't really too worried. After all, the Japanese Defense Force has all that experience fighting those monsters and everything.
Then I started thinking. Holy crap! They're always getting their butt's kicked and everything ends up destroyed.
I fear this could end badly.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
Katrina was a Cat 1 hurricane (in Nawlins) with an engineering failure... a tsunami is a large wall of water moving at the highway speed limit that has a density near to that of concrete. Really, god forbid we see anything like that on either of our coasts... at least with Japan it happens on some occasion. Though, clearly, not to this severity.
Katrina was a Cat 1 hurricane (in Nawlins) with an engineering failure... a tsunami is a large wall of water moving at the highway speed limit that has a density near to that of concrete. Really, god forbid we see anything like that on either of our coasts... at least with Japan it happens on some occasion. Though, clearly, not to this severity.
leswp1
New member
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
On the gov't utility telling the truth-- Is there really any way for them to know the real truth of what is going on? (serious question) It seems like what I am reading/hearing there is no way to absolutely tell and there are a lot of folks making educated guesses. If privy to the actual data would they be able to tell with surity or a better educated guess?
I thought you had mis-posted this here instead of the Westboro thread.
On the gov't utility telling the truth-- Is there really any way for them to know the real truth of what is going on? (serious question) It seems like what I am reading/hearing there is no way to absolutely tell and there are a lot of folks making educated guesses. If privy to the actual data would they be able to tell with surity or a better educated guess?
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
Interesting-when I first saw film of the destruction I half expected to be listening to the narration done by Raymond Burr. (this one is for the film buffs on the thread)
Interesting-when I first saw film of the destruction I half expected to be listening to the narration done by Raymond Burr. (this one is for the film buffs on the thread)
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
In the "geophysicist's nuclear safety Dad" interviews, Mervine has said he's been surprised and disappointed by how tight-lipped TEPCO and the Japanese government have been. As his comments on other issues (such as risks) have seemed well-measured, that lends some credence to the idea that what data there is is not being disseminated quickly or thoroughly.
Some of this may be the inevitable (albeit highly immoral) self-protection by a corporation not wanting to expose itself to liability. It's certainly possible (I'd say understandable) that TEPCO officials made poor decisions or mistakes in dealing with the crisis, and so there's the tendency to CYA.
Not to get too armchair sociologist, but there is also a strong tendency in Japanese culture to shape truth to the outcome desired by the audience. This isn't as cynical as a westerner would judge and it's not simply a matter of "good manners." It's a strong emphasis that the content of the conversation should not be allowed to overwhelm the people having the conversation. This leads to collectively-constructed narratives that don't necessarily pass the "correspondance theory" of truth that's common in the West and, arguably, the core of the scientific mindset. It doesn't seem possible that this could be allowed to hamper public policy on something so vital, but it's certainly happened in the past where Japanese public culture has agreed to "block out," for example, strong evidence of corruption by elected officials.
In the "geophysicist's nuclear safety Dad" interviews, Mervine has said he's been surprised and disappointed by how tight-lipped TEPCO and the Japanese government have been. As his comments on other issues (such as risks) have seemed well-measured, that lends some credence to the idea that what data there is is not being disseminated quickly or thoroughly.
Some of this may be the inevitable (albeit highly immoral) self-protection by a corporation not wanting to expose itself to liability. It's certainly possible (I'd say understandable) that TEPCO officials made poor decisions or mistakes in dealing with the crisis, and so there's the tendency to CYA.
Not to get too armchair sociologist, but there is also a strong tendency in Japanese culture to shape truth to the outcome desired by the audience. This isn't as cynical as a westerner would judge and it's not simply a matter of "good manners." It's a strong emphasis that the content of the conversation should not be allowed to overwhelm the people having the conversation. This leads to collectively-constructed narratives that don't necessarily pass the "correspondance theory" of truth that's common in the West and, arguably, the core of the scientific mindset. It doesn't seem possible that this could be allowed to hamper public policy on something so vital, but it's certainly happened in the past where Japanese public culture has agreed to "block out," for example, strong evidence of corruption by elected officials.
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Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
I'm not all that concerned about tsunamis striking the US coasts (certainly not of the 20ft+ variety). If water is your fear, then you should direct your attention to major hurricanes and their massive storm surge.
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
And the Japanese scientists speaking with their backs to the camera so you couldn't see they weren't speaking English!
Gojira!
And the Japanese scientists speaking with their backs to the camera so you couldn't see they weren't speaking English!
Gojira!
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
I knew it was only a matter of time before someone caught on.
I knew it was only a matter of time before someone caught on.
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
Sorry, I had to wait until lunch time to start surfing.
I knew it was only a matter of time before someone caught on.
Sorry, I had to wait until lunch time to start surfing.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
Perhaps a little good news.
I haven't seen an update but this morning they were saying they were "close" to restoring power. That would enable them to use the pumps (if they are operational) to move water back over the rods.
Perhaps a little good news.
I haven't seen an update but this morning they were saying they were "close" to restoring power. That would enable them to use the pumps (if they are operational) to move water back over the rods.
Jacques "Rabbit" Poriveau
Post-coital
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect
When you having a drink wit dem, ask those dezine geniuses how leeving da back up deisel generators outside there beuatiful strong billdings worked out pour dem, eh.