Ivan Lennon
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Re: Ivy League standing alone?
A no brainer save for the travel partner/geography conundrum
A no brainer save for the travel partner/geography conundrum
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Ivy League standing alone?
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Re: Ivy League standing alone?
QU should not leave but if they did, Army would be a great choice ... they could play airforce as a non-conference. Could we get all three and raise the league to 14? Leaves 2 non-conf for the Ivy's. West Point is geographically very central to the league. Holy Cross fits well as a Patriot League school. RIT fits the D-III folks plus they beat Minnesota, made it to the F4.
QU should not leave but if they did, Army would be a great choice ... they could play airforce as a non-conference. Could we get all three and raise the league to 14? Leaves 2 non-conf for the Ivy's. West Point is geographically very central to the league. Holy Cross fits well as a Patriot League school. RIT fits the D-III folks plus they beat Minnesota, made it to the F4.
antioch1098
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Re: Ivy League standing alone?
Quinnipiac is not leaving the ECAC Hockey League. QU is very happy exactly where they are right now. The administration, coaches, players, and community in general love playing in the best academic and athletic league in the country.
Quinnipiac is not leaving the ECAC Hockey League. QU is very happy exactly where they are right now. The administration, coaches, players, and community in general love playing in the best academic and athletic league in the country.
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Holy Cross has a women's team. They just refuse to let them play a D-I schedule.
Powers &8^]
Holy Cross has a women's team. They just refuse to let them play a D-I schedule.
Powers &8^]
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I agree that Q'Pac is unlikely to move to HE at this time, unless there is some financial incentive. As for West Point, I can't see Army leaving Atl. Hockey. They couldn't compete in the ECAC before, because of recruiting restrictions, academic rigor and military commitment. The ECAC is a tougher league now, so IF the ECAC even wanted them, I doubt they would apply.
I agree that Q'Pac is unlikely to move to HE at this time, unless there is some financial incentive. As for West Point, I can't see Army leaving Atl. Hockey. They couldn't compete in the ECAC before, because of recruiting restrictions, academic rigor and military commitment. The ECAC is a tougher league now, so IF the ECAC even wanted them, I doubt they would apply.
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The best league in the country? Historically, that is so not true. In recent history, the ECAC has done well in placing teams in the Frozen Four and winning titles. However, prior to 2011, the last ECAC Frozen Four appearance was 2004. I don't think anyone can say with any certainty that the ECAC can continue this success. I think it's safe to say that Hockey East is superior in that almost every year they send at least 1 team to the Frozen Four.
Quinnipiac is not leaving the ECAC Hockey League. QU is very happy exactly where they are right now. The administration, coaches, players, and community in general love playing in the best academic and athletic league in the country.
The best league in the country? Historically, that is so not true. In recent history, the ECAC has done well in placing teams in the Frozen Four and winning titles. However, prior to 2011, the last ECAC Frozen Four appearance was 2004. I don't think anyone can say with any certainty that the ECAC can continue this success. I think it's safe to say that Hockey East is superior in that almost every year they send at least 1 team to the Frozen Four.
Re: Ivy League standing alone?
Yale and Quinnipiac as schools are closely tied administratively. I believe that it was Yale that sponsored QU into the ECAC. The relationship is very strong on a number of fronts. There is an ebook floating around out there that describes this in Chapter 5. (I cannot remember the name of the book). Yale was instrumental in helping QU reach its sports facility goals as well. I think that whoever claimed the QU would not leave because of its relationship with Yale was correct. If someone knows more please jump in.
Yale and Quinnipiac as schools are closely tied administratively. I believe that it was Yale that sponsored QU into the ECAC. The relationship is very strong on a number of fronts. There is an ebook floating around out there that describes this in Chapter 5. (I cannot remember the name of the book). Yale was instrumental in helping QU reach its sports facility goals as well. I think that whoever claimed the QU would not leave because of its relationship with Yale was correct. If someone knows more please jump in.
I think the original post meant that the ECAC is the league with the best combination of athletics and academics. That's how I read it, anyway.
Though I would argue that, if we're comparing HEA and ECAC head-to-head, ECAC was a tougher conference to play in this year. The top nine teams were all very solid, but there were few elite teams. HEA, on the other hand, had six tournament-caliber teams but then the bottom six teams were, in a word, awful. HEA certainly has more top-notch teams, but I think that, for this year, anyway, ECAC had more strength top-to-bottom.
bulldog10jw
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Re: Ivy League standing alone?
Dutchman, I'm not sure I understand how they are closely tied 'administratively'? How does an Ivy school tie itself to a non Ivy in any way, shape or form? I can understand Yale providing a recommendation for QU to be admitted to the ECAC but I'm at a loss to understand your first sentence. As far as the sports facilities go, I heard an interview from a QU booster club member that TD Bank Arena was driven financially in large measure by the QU alums. Not sure if Yale had anything to do with it. Again, I'm not tied to either school and I don't doubt the ebook's validity. Just going on what I heard from the QU alum.
Dutchman, I'm not sure I understand how they are closely tied 'administratively'? How does an Ivy school tie itself to a non Ivy in any way, shape or form? I can understand Yale providing a recommendation for QU to be admitted to the ECAC but I'm at a loss to understand your first sentence. As far as the sports facilities go, I heard an interview from a QU booster club member that TD Bank Arena was driven financially in large measure by the QU alums. Not sure if Yale had anything to do with it. Again, I'm not tied to either school and I don't doubt the ebook's validity. Just going on what I heard from the QU alum.
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Hockey Haven : How Yale and Quinnipiac Made it to the Top of the College Game - Jun 17, 2013
by Chip Malafronte and Jim Shelton of the New Haven Register
Kindle Edition
In 2004, Vermont accepted an invitation to join Hockey East, leaving a vacancy in ECAC Hockey. Not only could Quinnipiac join a major college hockey conference, allowing it to increase scholarships and strength of schedule, but it would rub elbows some of the most elite academic universities in the world. Quinnipiac would be directly associated with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, and Colgate.
"It's all about recognition potential," said Elian Jones, a professor of marketing and advertising at Quinnipiac. "Hockey is something (school administrators) thought we could be good at, and with just 58 teams it would be relatively easy to stand out. In Marketing, brand and brand equity is everything . You strive to achieve a certain image. What better way than to join the ECAC? "
Holy Cross was interested as well. Well established academically and athletically, it fit the ECAC profile to a tee. But Quinnipiac had a pair of aces in the hole. One was the new arena, which would replace Northford Ice Pavilion, a community rink a couple towns over that the school had used for several years.
The other was Yale. The ancient Ivy League school had supported other Quinnipiac endeavors such as its law school and medical school. But in hockey, there was little to gain and lots to lose with Quinnipiac in the ECAC. Still, Yale threw its support behind Quinnipiac. Former Yale coach Tim Taylor, among the most respected hockey coaches in the country, at any level, was particularly adamant.
"We like the support it had from the President of the school all the way down," said Wayne Dean, Yale's senior associate athletic director and the chairn1an of the league's expansion committee. "We knew they'd be a great fit. The TD Bank Center certainly helped, but it was a combination of many things."
Yale's generosity went as far as granting permission for Quinnipiac to use Ingalls Rink whenever possible until the TD Bank Sports Center was completed. The Northford Pavilion had limited seating; Yale's rink provided a 3,500-capacity facility.
"If not for Yale, the ECAC would not have accepted us and we certainly would not have been in Pittsburgh for the Frozen Four," Lahey said. "Yale has long been a great friend to us, and we owe them all the thanks in the world."
The campus had always aided Quinnipiac in its recruiting efforts, but quaint surroundings and limited hockey potential only went so far. A new building and membership in the ECAC had its benefits. The TD Bank Sports Center, opened in 2007, cost $52 million to build. Part of the cost was subsidized with a 10-year naming rights deal. That contract expires in three years. Quinnipiac stands to gain a hefty rate increase in its new negotiations.
Hockey Haven : How Yale and Quinnipiac Made it to the Top of the College Game - Jun 17, 2013
by Chip Malafronte and Jim Shelton of the New Haven Register
Kindle Edition
In 2004, Vermont accepted an invitation to join Hockey East, leaving a vacancy in ECAC Hockey. Not only could Quinnipiac join a major college hockey conference, allowing it to increase scholarships and strength of schedule, but it would rub elbows some of the most elite academic universities in the world. Quinnipiac would be directly associated with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, and Colgate.
"It's all about recognition potential," said Elian Jones, a professor of marketing and advertising at Quinnipiac. "Hockey is something (school administrators) thought we could be good at, and with just 58 teams it would be relatively easy to stand out. In Marketing, brand and brand equity is everything . You strive to achieve a certain image. What better way than to join the ECAC? "
Holy Cross was interested as well. Well established academically and athletically, it fit the ECAC profile to a tee. But Quinnipiac had a pair of aces in the hole. One was the new arena, which would replace Northford Ice Pavilion, a community rink a couple towns over that the school had used for several years.
The other was Yale. The ancient Ivy League school had supported other Quinnipiac endeavors such as its law school and medical school. But in hockey, there was little to gain and lots to lose with Quinnipiac in the ECAC. Still, Yale threw its support behind Quinnipiac. Former Yale coach Tim Taylor, among the most respected hockey coaches in the country, at any level, was particularly adamant.
"We like the support it had from the President of the school all the way down," said Wayne Dean, Yale's senior associate athletic director and the chairn1an of the league's expansion committee. "We knew they'd be a great fit. The TD Bank Center certainly helped, but it was a combination of many things."
Yale's generosity went as far as granting permission for Quinnipiac to use Ingalls Rink whenever possible until the TD Bank Sports Center was completed. The Northford Pavilion had limited seating; Yale's rink provided a 3,500-capacity facility.
"If not for Yale, the ECAC would not have accepted us and we certainly would not have been in Pittsburgh for the Frozen Four," Lahey said. "Yale has long been a great friend to us, and we owe them all the thanks in the world."
The campus had always aided Quinnipiac in its recruiting efforts, but quaint surroundings and limited hockey potential only went so far. A new building and membership in the ECAC had its benefits. The TD Bank Sports Center, opened in 2007, cost $52 million to build. Part of the cost was subsidized with a 10-year naming rights deal. That contract expires in three years. Quinnipiac stands to gain a hefty rate increase in its new negotiations.
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Re: Ivy League standing alone?
Found it ..... was looking for this for a while.
http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2009/10/28/ivy-league-drawbacks/
Ivy League drawbacks
MARC BECK OCT 28, 2009
But Yale senior associate athletic director Wayne Dean said he is content with Yale’s opportunity to compete in the ECAC.
“[The other schools are] very competitive academically, so there’s probably a time when somebody decides to go to those non-Ivy ECAC schools for many reasons,” Dean said. “They’re different academically and different geographically, but together I feel like we make the best hockey league in the country, and we’re very competitive nationally.”
Yep, I agree
Found it ..... was looking for this for a while.
http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2009/10/28/ivy-league-drawbacks/
Ivy League drawbacks
MARC BECK OCT 28, 2009
But Yale senior associate athletic director Wayne Dean said he is content with Yale’s opportunity to compete in the ECAC.
“[The other schools are] very competitive academically, so there’s probably a time when somebody decides to go to those non-Ivy ECAC schools for many reasons,” Dean said. “They’re different academically and different geographically, but together I feel like we make the best hockey league in the country, and we’re very competitive nationally.”
Yep, I agree
I don't think they could hang.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Take my wife, please
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Ivy League standing alone?
1986-87
10 games at Walter Brown Arena
4 games at Matthews Arena (includes exhibition game)
3 games at Bright Center
2 games at Boston Garden (vs BU)
1987-88
8 games at Walter Brown Arena (includes exhibition game)
3 games at Matthews Arena
3 games at Bright Center
Sean
Actually, BC played most of their home games at Walter Brown Arena during the 2 seasons Conte Forum was being built. Matthews Arena and Bright Center were the alternates when it wasn't available:
1986-87
10 games at Walter Brown Arena
4 games at Matthews Arena (includes exhibition game)
3 games at Bright Center
2 games at Boston Garden (vs BU)
1987-88
8 games at Walter Brown Arena (includes exhibition game)
3 games at Matthews Arena
3 games at Bright Center
Sean
Re: Ivy League standing alone?
I'll bet they got the same reception that Harvard got when we had to play at Walter Brown during the '78-79 season. Oh was that a joyous winter.
I'll bet they got the same reception that Harvard got when we had to play at Walter Brown during the '78-79 season. Oh was that a joyous winter.
Re: Ivy League standing alone?
Quinnipiac even let Yale borrow their Zamboni when a Yale Zamboni crapped out last year. Can't you feel the love.
Quinnipiac even let Yale borrow their Zamboni when a Yale Zamboni crapped out last year. Can't you feel the love.
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Ivy League standing alone?
Sean
I'm not so sure, since BC scheduled their home games with BU either at the Garden or Matthews, while Harvard played their home game vs BU at Walter Brown.
Sean