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Irish Hockey: Straight Inta Compton

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At least I hope he's on ludes because if he isn't and he actually believes Mike Johnson was a better game time decision than Steven Summerhays, I am as of this moment questioning his coaching ability.

According to one source,

Jeff Spicoli said:
People on 'Ludes should not coach

Mr. Hand was in the house as well, and when he saw who was between the pipes he questioned the move:

Mr. Hand said:
Am I hallucinating here? Just what in the hell do you think you're doing?

After the game he made his way to the media center and had the following question for the Notre Dame coaching staff:

Mr. Hand said:
What are you people? On dope?
 
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Two other things that got sucked into our net last night and all but forgotten were the fact that Billy Maday reached the century mark and T.J. Tynan took a share of the scoring title in the league. Unfortunately, Tynan has to share the title with MSU's Torey Krug thanks to Mike Johnson.

Yep. Still bitter.
 
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Quite the collection of articles in the local media, print or otherwise. Did any of them ask the questions that are on everyone's minds? In fact, has anyone asked a hard hitting question of Jackson all season as far as personnel is concerned? If so, please point it out to me because I missed it.

I’m not naïve enough to expect the same level of scrutiny, or the same number of words devoted to Notre Dame hockey as I am Notre Dame football. But if the press is going to bother covering the games, at least ask questions that will shed some light on the success or failures on the ice. Does the game coverage provide any insight that couldn’t be gleaned by anyone in the arena or watching it on TV? It doesn't for me. I know nothing more after reading 3 separate accounts of yesterday's game than I knew last night as the final horn sounded. Shoddy, pointless excuses for journalism. Are the local print and electronic media outlets assuming the people reading their coverage are casual fans who are simply interested in the final score and little else? They must be. And I must be wrong in assuming that they are actually consumed by those of us who have a much deeper interest. Not that it is necessary, since as I have noted so little is to be learned by most of us from their coverage.

The entire story of last night's game was -- fairly or not -- the goaltending. Especially after the very good outing Summerhays had on Friday night. Yet Jackson refuses to allow it to be the focal point of blame when Johnson is between the pipes. Largely due to the fact it appears more and more that he is managing the situation horribly, and scrutiny in that direction falls directly on him. When mistakes end up in the net it is the fault of the guy taking the faceoff. Or the guy taking the shot at the blueline. Or the bad line change. Odd how when the same things happen just as often when Summerhays is in net he has made the save more often than not. And when he hasn't, the hook has been displayed frequently and quickly. 2 goals on 5 shots and he's gone. How many times has Johnson done the same thing and remained in the game? Dan Murphy of Blue And Gold Illustrated asked something about the decision to start Johnson to his partial credit, but the response "“I thought about using Summerhays. But I also told the seniors they were going to play." made no sense. Johnson is a Junior, and WHY did he start Johnson despite thinking about using Summerhays?

Follow-ups people. They're the foundation of sound journalism. Jackson has done an awful job this season with his netminders. I believe his decisions have cost this team a number of wins. Brian Kelly would trade places with him in a heartbeat I'm sure.
 
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“I thought about using Summerhays..."

He thought about it?! Thought about it? What's to ponder?

I thought about wearing my seatbelt. I thought about not going back to that guy's dorm room. I thought about not putting the loaded gun to my head and pulling the trigger.

A wise man changes his mind, but a fool never does.
 
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Dan Murphy of Blue And Gold Illustrated asked something about the decision to start Johnson to his partial credit, but the response "“I thought about using Summerhays. But I also told the seniors they were going to play." made no sense. Johnson is a Junior, and WHY did he start Johnson despite thinking about using Summerhays?

The only thing I can think of is maybe Jackson has decided that it's Steven the rest of the way, and intends on making him the starter next year. Maybe this was Johnson's last chance or last hurrah in Jackson's mind. I can't imagine that Jackson just got confused and forgot that Johnson was a junior.

Anyway, I'm still kind of baffled. I hope to God that he doesn't use both in the playoffs. Two goalies in the playoffs would be the kiss of death.
 
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I hope to God that he doesn't use both in the playoffs. Two goalies in the playoffs would be the kiss of death.

Two goalies in the regular season have kind of been the kiss of death as well.

I fully admit to being wrong as to the proper choice as far as goaltending. Jackson should have stuck with Summerhays aftert he first Ferris series and allowed himself to work through a couple of bad starts. Happily, his play on Friday showed me that despite Jackson's obvious lack of confidence in him, his own isn't completely shot.

Jackson has supposedly said he intended all along to start both goalies this weekend, but unless I'm mistaken I didn't see that noted for the record in any of the game stories. It's convenient cover as it removes from the decision making process the consideration of the exceptional performance out of Summerhays on Friday. It's interesting to note that it was only after Western broke the win streak Summerhays had going did he say something similar before starting Johnson on the Saturday game that weekend. Again, convenient cover for appearing to actually pull Summerhays from the number one spot simply because he lost once.

We'll be dissecting this for whatever is left of this season and likely for the entire off season. I guess the good news is how we discuss it is still up for grabs. Yes, I did chuckle a bit as I typed that.

Any word yet on any TV or internet broadcasts for next weekend?

Other than games otherwise televised, Notre Dame will do their usual internet video streaming. The Saturday game is listed by Notre Dame as being carried on FOX Detroit, but the Pistons play Memphis at the same time and I have to believe they're not bumping that for college hockey. If FOX is covering a Saturday game it would likely be on FSD+.
 
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Jackson has supposedly said he intended all along to start both goalies this weekend, but unless I'm mistaken I didn't see that noted for the record in any of the game stories.

I see that it was reported in the Observer following the weekend. I stand by my statement of it being convenient cover and echo JJfP about the wise and the foolish.

So who do we all think will be between the pipes Friday? Or Saturday? If he starts Johnson and he has another 3 shots faced, 2 goals allowed period will we see some serious challenges in the mainstream press to his reasoning? Or will Brian Kelly once again be the most jealous man on campus?
 
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Mr. JJfP and I have a bet as to whether or not Johnson gets another start the rest of the way. I say (unfortunately), "Yes." He says (hopefully), "No."

My guess is Summerhays Friday. Johnson Saturday. And then Johnson Sunday. Beyond that, I won't speculate about which team dusts off the golf clubs. I want very badly to be optimistic. I want to believe that Jackson has seen enough of a sample to figure the safest (safest...not necessarily surest) bet is the Summerhays. I want to believe that he has watched enough tape to see the team usually plays better in front of Summerhays, even if they lose. I want to believe the captains have cornered him and said, "Enough. Crap or get off the pot. Summerhays is our guy. Let him work through his own adversity. You don't need to do it for him. Lengthen the leash an inch or ten. We have nothing to lose now and everything to gain."

Who would've thought 2 months ago that OSU and ND would be in this position after they had been atop the league, even atop the rankings. Now one of these teams will be eliminated from everything after this weekend. Whichever team comes out on top, the rest of the way certainly won't be easy. The prospect of having to then travel to Ferris, or Michigan/Western if there are upsets is not much of a reward for being victorious.

OSU is 1-7-2 (with 2 SOL's) in their last 10. ND is 3-7 in that same span. Both teams also have been shut out twice in their last 10. OSU prefers to play away from their cavernous home as they are 9-6-3 on the road. They are below .500 at home. ND is better at home, going 11-8 in South Bend. They're below .500 on the road.

Both teams have 4 guys with at least 20 points. OSU is led by Chris Crane and Ryan Dzingel, each with 24. Danny Dries and Max McCormick each have 21 pts. Those 4 are also the top PPG scorers. Among them, they have 20 PPG's. ND is led by co-CCHA scoring champ T.J. Tynan with 40 points, followed by Anders Lee (31), Riley Sheahan (24) and Billy Maday (22). These 4 also lead ND in PPG's scored, registering 22 man-up goals. My guess is OSU goes with Cal Heeter in net. He's got a save % of .919 and a GA of 2.45. Steven Summerhays likely will start Friday. He's got a save % of .895 and a GA of 2.7. Mike Johnson has a save % of .883 with a GA of 2.67.

OSU's PP has struggled in their last 10 games, going 14.3%. Their PK has struggled even more at 71.7% in that span. They are averaging 2.2 GF and are giving up 3.5 GA in those 10 games. OSU is averaging 33.1 shots/game in their last 10 while giving up 31.1 shots lately. ND's PP is still okay lately at 17.8% in the past 10 outings. Their PK has actually improved greatly in that span, going 83.3%. The problem is still 5 x 5 scoring as they have averaged only 1.7 GF in the last 10 while giving up 3.1 GA of late. ND has averaged 28 shots/game while surrendering 23.1 shots/game in that same span.

Tennis great Chris Evert stated, "You've got to take the initiative and play your game. In a decisive set, confidence is the difference."
 
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Mr. JJfP and I have a bet as to whether or not Johnson gets another start the rest of the way. I say (unfortunately), "Yes." He says (hopefully), "No."

My guess is Summerhays Friday. Johnson Saturday. And then Johnson Sunday. Beyond that, I won't speculate about which team dusts off the golf clubs. I want very badly to be optimistic. I want to believe that Jackson has seen enough of a sample to figure the safest (safest...not necessarily surest) bet is the Summerhays. I want to believe that he has watched enough tape to see the team usually plays better in front of Summerhays, even if they lose. I want to believe the captains have cornered him and said, "Enough. Crap or get off the pot. Summerhays is our guy. Let him work through his own adversity. You don't need to do it for him. Lengthen the leash an inch or ten. We have nothing to lose now and everything to gain."

Who would've thought 2 months ago that OSU and ND would be in this position after they had been atop the league, even atop the rankings. Now one of these teams will be eliminated from everything after this weekend. Whichever team comes out on top, the rest of the way certainly won't be easy. The prospect of having to then travel to Ferris, or Michigan/Western if there are upsets is not much of a reward for being victorious.

OSU is 1-7-2 (with 2 SOL's) in their last 10. ND is 3-7 in that same span. Both teams also have been shut out twice in their last 10. OSU prefers to play away from their cavernous home as they are 9-6-3 on the road. They are below .500 at home. ND is better at home, going 11-8 in South Bend. They're below .500 on the road.

Both teams have 4 guys with at least 20 points. OSU is led by Chris Crane and Ryan Dzingel, each with 24. Danny Dries and Max McCormick each have 21 pts. Those 4 are also the top PPG scorers. Among them, they have 20 PPG's. ND is led by co-CCHA scoring champ T.J. Tynan with 40 points, followed by Anders Lee (31), Riley Sheahan (24) and Billy Maday (22). These 4 also lead ND in PPG's scored, registering 22 man-up goals. My guess is OSU goes with Cal Heeter in net. He's got a save % of .919 and a GA of 2.45. Steven Summerhays likely will start Friday. He's got a save % of .895 and a GA of 2.7. Mike Johnson has a save % of .883 with a GA of 2.67.

OSU's PP has struggled in their last 10 games, going 14.3%. Their PK has struggled even more at 71.7% in that span. They are averaging 2.2 GF and are giving up 3.5 GA in those 10 games. OSU is averaging 33.1 shots/game in their last 10 while giving up 31.1 shots lately. ND's PP is still okay lately at 17.8% in the past 10 outings. Their PK has actually improved greatly in that span, going 83.3%. The problem is still 5 x 5 scoring as they have averaged only 1.7 GF in the last 10 while giving up 3.1 GA of late. ND has averaged 28 shots/game while surrendering 23.1 shots/game in that same span.

Tennis great Chris Evert stated, "You've got to take the initiative and play your game. In a decisive set, confidence is the difference."

Should be a great series. I am looking forward to seeing your new building.
 
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Mario Lucia update for those that haven't seen his numbers lately

LW Mario Lucia - Penticton (BCHL): Second round pick (60th overall) in 2011 Draft has piled up 84 points (36-48=84) in just 50 games as Penticton has rattled off 37 wins in a row. Lucia ranks tied for fourth in the league in scoring and third in goals.
 
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Mario Lucia update for those that haven't seen his numbers lately

LW Mario Lucia - Penticton (BCHL): Second round pick (60th overall) in 2011 Draft has piled up 84 points (36-48=84) in just 50 games as Penticton has rattled off 37 wins in a row. Lucia ranks tied for fourth in the league in scoring and third in goals.

I can't wait until he comes to Notre Dame next year.
 
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I guess we found a new head coach, anybody that can determine who wins or loses a game before they even drop the puck, must be sent by the Hockey Gods. Anybody that can persuade the whole bench and half the crowd, that we we're going to loose, just by throwing his stick and helmet. needs to be standing behind the bench, not sitting on it. Imagine what he could do if he was a unifier and a positive influnce for his team. I'm not judging, just saying.

Dad
 
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For those of you in Canada, LEAFS-TV will show the Saturday night game (game 2 against Ohio State) at 7:30 PM.
 
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I guess we found a new head coach, anybody that can determine who wins or loses a game before they even drop the puck, must be sent by the Hockey Gods. Anybody that can persuade the whole bench and half the crowd, that we we're going to loose, just by throwing his stick and helmet. needs to be standing behind the bench, not sitting on it. Imagine what he could do if he was a unifier and a positive influnce for his team. I'm not judging, just saying.

Dad

Jackson needs to overcome his issues with Summerhays. I think Jackson's ego, and these perceived attacks on his coaching decisions by Summerhays, is preventing him from effectively leading the team.
 
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I guess we found a new head coach, anybody that can determine who wins or loses a game before they even drop the puck, must be sent by the Hockey Gods. Anybody that can persuade the whole bench and half the crowd, that we we're going to loose, just by throwing his stick and helmet. needs to be standing behind the bench, not sitting on it. Imagine what he could do if he was a unifier and a positive influnce for his team. I'm not judging, just saying.

Dad

While we'll never know what would have happened if Jackson had made a different decision, I don't think Summerhays' emotions were the problem Saturday. While it's probably best to react stoically to any setback, he's hardly the first athlete to have it out with a coach, here or anywhere else. He made huge strides I thought against MSU when the team needed him the most. When the team was doing its job in front of him, he did his job. When they didn't, he played his position well and didn't let a couple of bad situations get worse, something he didn't do in his previous couple of starts. And when the skaters REALLY gagged it up, he made 2 tremendous saves, keeping the game scoreless the first time, and keeping the lead the next. I think he's shown a lot of growth in the last month, and if Jackson would have shown the same confidence in him the team shows, this season would look a little different right now.

At any rate, I think Summerhays is going to start this weekend (remember, my usual disclaimer applies). It's time for Jackson to put him out there in a real win-or-go home situation. For one thing, Summerhays has proven to be the better choice more often than not this season. He's stopped a couple of long losing streaks, and has played better in most of the bigger games. Yes Johnson has the BC game, but Summerhays came up huge against MSU, has our only win against FSU, and stoned BU, UM and Minnesota very effectively.

Then we can take a look at the actual record in the post season. Johnson has made 9 starts, so he has the experience. But his record isn't stellar. In fact, it isn't particularly good. A few games smacked of what we have seen this year. Through 9 post season starts, he's just 4-5. The GAA is 3.55 and the save % is a mediocre .876. He had to be pulled from a horrible start against OSU in 2010. OK, we'll give him a pass since he wasn't the only one who wanted that season over. But he gave up 2 goals against Lake State last year in game three of that series. The goals came in the second period on just 3 shots. The team got up 2-0 in game two and he couldn't hold the lead, giving up 4 goals in just over 2 periods of game time. 2 of the goals came in the final 90 seconds of periods 1 and 2. That was followed up by a forgettable game in Detroit against Miami, giving up 6 goals on just 24 shots before being relieved. He gave up 4 goals in the FF last season, and while 3 of those were on UMD power plays, the Bulldogs took only 18 shots to get the 4 goals. After that, Notre Dame held UMD to just 3 more shots. In fact of his 9 post season starts, he's only been lights out in 1. If you take out the UNH game from last season, the post season numbers become an indefensible 3-5, 3.91, .857. Those numbers won't get us out of the CFIA this weekend.

This team is going to need a miracle run to get to Detroit, let alone the NCAAs. With the odds stacked against them, it would be completely wrong to NOT see what Summerhays can do. While this post seems like it's "take a pot shot at Mike Johnson" it isn't. Those are the numbers. Jackson has said repeatedly he didn't recruit Steven Summerhays to sit. Now is the time to put a little meaning behind those words.
 
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I've got a question for everyone. Do you guys think that Riley Sheahan will return next season? He's a first round draft pick for Detroit and the Red Wing draft picks (especially high ones) typically only play three years in college. But I get the impression that he loves playing for Notre Dame. Next year he'll certainly wear a letter.

So what do you guys think, will Riley come back?
 
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