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Incredibly Dull Boring 2022 Pairwise and Tournament Possibilites Thread

Fighting Sioux 23 said:
So, I think we have: (EDITED: My CHN Numbers came back funky the first time)

1. Michigan
2. Minnesota State
3. Western Michigan
4. Denver
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5. Minnesota Duluth
6. Minnesota
7. North Dakota
8. Quinnipiac
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9. Notre Dame
10. St. Cloud State
11. Massachusetts
12. Michigan Tech
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13. Massachusetts Lowell
14. Northeastern
15. Harvard
16. AIC

Pure Serpentine creates an intra-conference matchup between North Dakota (7) and St. Cloud State (10). So, we have to swap someone. Question is do we give SCSU to Quinnipiac or Minnesota?

Here is how I think the committee will handle

Albany:
1. Michigan v. 16. AIC
8. Quinnipiac v. 10. St. Cloud State

Allentown:
2. Minnesota State v. 15. Harvard
7. North Dakota v. 9. Notre Dame

Worcester:
3. Western Michigan v. 14. Northeastern
6. Minnesota v. 11. Massachusetts

Loveland:
4. Denver v. 13. Massachusetts Lowell
5. Minnesota Duluth v. 12. Michigan Tech

No issues with intra-conference matchups now. Last year the committee didn't care about travel, so I don't think they will this year either. In any event, Loveland is locked. ECAC is hosing Albany and gets their top team. Worcester gets two Massachuetts' schools. Allentown is a waste regardless.
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Not sure where you're getting those but that's not what USCHO has

https://social.uscho.com/college-hockey-pairwise-predictor/?pwpID=ce5572ae8ca7f4481e941c82cc0afade

1 Michigan
1 Minnesota State
3 Western Michigan
4 Denver
4 Minnesota Duluth
6 Minnesota
7 North Dakota
8 Quinnipiac
8 Notre Dame
10 St. Cloud
11 Massachusetts
12 Michigan Tech
13 UMass Lowell
14 Northeastern
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
So, I think we have: (EDITED: My CHN Numbers came back funky the first time)

1. Michigan
2. Minnesota State
3. Western Michigan
4. Denver
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5. Minnesota Duluth
6. Minnesota
7. North Dakota
8. Quinnipiac
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9. Notre Dame
10. St. Cloud State
11. Massachusetts
12. Michigan Tech
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13. Massachusetts Lowell
14. Northeastern
15. Harvard
16. AIC

Pure Serpentine creates an intra-conference matchup between North Dakota (7) and St. Cloud State (10). So, we have to swap someone. Question is do we give SCSU to Quinnipiac or Minnesota?

Here is how I think the committee will handle

Albany:
1. Michigan v. 16. AIC
8. Quinnipiac v. 10. St. Cloud State

Allentown:
2. Minnesota State v. 15. Harvard
7. North Dakota v. 9. Notre Dame

Worcester:
3. Western Michigan v. 14. Northeastern
6. Minnesota v. 11. Massachusetts

Loveland:
4. Denver v. 13. Massachusetts Lowell
5. Minnesota Duluth v. 12. Michigan Tech

No issues with intra-conference matchups now. Last year the committee didn't care about travel, so I don't think they will this year either. In any event, Loveland is locked. ECAC is hosing Albany and gets their top team. Worcester gets two Massachuetts' schools. Allentown is a waste regardless.
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This isn't bad. Clearly two options for North Dakota in either Notre Dame or UMass. I don't think anyone will have a consensus on this one. I personally was just thinking a group containing Michigan AND Notre Dame might turn out somewhat ok for either Albany or Allentown.
 
J.D. said:
This isn't bad. Clearly two options for North Dakota in either Notre Dame or UMass. I don't think anyone will have a consensus on this one. I personally was just thinking a group containing Michigan AND Notre Dame might turn out somewhat ok for either Albany or Allentown.
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That's a good point. You could give SCSU to Minnesota to fix that. I'd also then swap the Allentown and Worcester brackets to keep 2 Massachusetts schools in Worcester. Then, you'd have:

Albany:
1. Michigan v. 16. AIC
8. Quinnipiac v. 9. Notre Dame

Worcester:
2. Minnesota State v. 15. Harvard
7. North Dakota v. 11. Massachusetts

Allentown:
3. Western Michigan v. 14. Northeastern
6. Minnesota v. 10. St. Cloud State

Loveland:
4. Denver v. 13. Massachusetts Lowell
5. Minnesota Duluth v. 12. Michigan Tech
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
That's a good point. You could give SCSU to Minnesota to fix that. I'd also then swap the Allentown and Worcester brackets to keep 2 Massachusetts schools in Worcester. Then, you'd have:

Albany:
1. Michigan v. 16. AIC
8. Quinnipiac v. 9. Notre Dame

Worcester:
2. Minnesota State v. 15. Harvard
7. North Dakota v. 11. Massachusetts

Allentown:
3. Western Michigan v. 14. Northeastern
6. Minnesota v. 10. St. Cloud State

Loveland:
4. Denver v. 13. Massachusetts Lowell
5. Minnesota Duluth v. 12. Michigan Tech
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Ya, I wouldn't rule this one out. The only other thing I would say is if the committee REALLY cared about attendance they would then flip Harvard and UML but that almost certainly won't happen.
 
I think going to a day between games will kill attendance at the regionals. The only thing that will boost attendance with the day off is moving to campus sites, and that isn't likely to happen.
 
Siouxfaninseattle said:
I think going to a day between games will kill attendance at the regionals. The only thing that will boost attendance with the day off is moving to campus sites, and that isn't likely to happen.
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Didn't realize they were doing that. How many fans of the losing first night teams would stay around to see someone else play 2 days later? What is the reasoning for such a decision?
 
BC/HE said:
Didn't realize they were doing that. How many fans of the losing first night teams would stay around to see someone else play 2 days later? What is the reasoning for such a decision?
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Coaches whining about being tired if they have to play the late game on the first night.
 
Siouxfaninseattle said:
I think going to a day between games will kill attendance at the regionals. The only thing that will boost attendance with the day off is moving to campus sites, and that isn't likely to happen.
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Yes, but you're assuming the NCAA and the sites care what the physical attendance is. They care what the paid attendance is. If someone buys the 3-game package they're not going to be able to get a refund if their team loses the first game.
 
BC/HE said:
Didn't realize they were doing that. How many fans of the losing first night teams would stay around to see someone else play 2 days later? What is the reasoning for such a decision?
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I believe the reasoning is that Allentown, Loveland, Worcester, and Albany are just too awesome to be fully enjoyed in just 2 days
 
Ultimately bracket integrity should really be preserved starting with #1 overall. So I think Michigan/QU *should happen* and whether that's in Allentown or Albany, keeping #9 Notre Dame with Michigan is a good draw for fans. So I will go with Connelly and Moy for my final prediction.
 
purpleinnebraska said:
I believe the reasoning is that Allentown, Loveland, Worcester, and Albany are just too awesome to be fully enjoyed in just 2 days
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Plus fans were disappointed with having to make travel plans on Sunday night for the following Friday, so the NCAA moved the first games to Thursday to make it easier. This will also answer fan complaints about the cost of the trips by adding another night in a hotel.

Win-win-win
 
What I like is the 6pm show just in case the committee pulls out a miracle.

edit: This is sarcasm for the record, it should be a noon show given the tight timelines.
 
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Siouxfaninseattle said:
I think going to a day between games will kill attendance at the regionals. The only thing that will boost attendance with the day off is moving to campus sites, and that isn't likely to happen.
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purpleinnebraska said:
I believe the reasoning is that Allentown, Loveland, Worcester, and Albany are just too awesome to be fully enjoyed in just 2 days
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ticapnews said:
Plus fans were disappointed with having to make travel plans on Sunday night for the following Friday, so the NCAA moved the first games to Thursday to make it easier. This will also answer fan complaints about the cost of the trips by adding another night in a hotel.Win-win-win
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Patman said:
What I like is the 6pm show just in case the committee pulls out a miracle.

edit: This is sarcasm for the record, it should be a noon show given the tight timelines.
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I forgot about the extra day too. I (((was))) thinking of heading down to Worcester depending on the teams. VERY unlikely for both days now and I have family there. Can the NCAA do anymore to drive fans away? I attended the NHIAA finals last week. 15 minute periods, 12 minute intermissions, NO ARTIFICIAL TIMEOUTS, running time in the last period when a team is leading by six (6) or more goals. As an added bonus there was no music blaring from the PA because there was no time for it. Just very enjoyable hockey. What a concept.

Heading back to my dinosaur cave now.
 
Worcester, Albany, Allentown: the geographic equivalent of Fargo, Minot, Dickinson, ND. Who knew I had three NCAA regions in just my state!

The late announce time (by six hours vs past) is a killer, especially when paired with now Thursday games in some places. And as folks point out, an extra hotel day. This all must make sense in NCAA logic. An off-day regional works in hockey towns, and that’s it.

No home sites yet jiggle bracket integrity for attendance. <— More NCAA logic
 
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ticapnews said:
Yes, but you're assuming the NCAA and the sites care what the physical attendance is. They care what the paid attendance is. If someone buys the 3-game package they're not going to be able to get a refund if their team loses the first game.
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Attendance just gets lip service from the NC$$ but I think the sites would like to see butts in the seats. I suspect that the day between games idea will go away real fast if attendance turns out as poor as I think it will.
 
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