Patman
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Re: If the olympics were still amateur...
I thought Hutton was from Thunder Bay?
I thought Hutton was from Thunder Bay?
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If the olympics were still amateur...
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Re: If the olympics were still amateur...
Colbourne and Fontaine are Canadian among others I believe.
Colbourne and Fontaine are Canadian among others I believe.
fishcore12
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Re: If the olympics were still amateur...
A whole bunch of the players listed so far are from Canada..so there might be a slight issue with them playing for Team USA.
A whole bunch of the players listed so far are from Canada..so there might be a slight issue with them playing for Team USA.
Re: If the olympics were still amateur...
Yes, Thunder Bay is in Ontario, which is why he listed Carter Hutton as goalie for the mythical Canadian team over Kieran Millian (from Edmonton, Alberta) and Alex Beaudry (from Cumberland, Ontario).
Yes, Thunder Bay is in Ontario, which is why he listed Carter Hutton as goalie for the mythical Canadian team over Kieran Millian (from Edmonton, Alberta) and Alex Beaudry (from Cumberland, Ontario).
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Re: If the olympics were still amateur...
Please read the whole thread before posting.
Please read the whole thread before posting.
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Re: If the olympics were still amateur...
Yeah, that was the second listing of college guys from Canada who'd be eligible for Canada.
Yeah, that was the second listing of college guys from Canada who'd be eligible for Canada.
Re: If the olympics were still amateur...
This list is great for WJC, makes no sense for Olympic team. These kids are not even the best on their college teams. Maybe in 4 or 5 years. Remember, Eruzione was graduated, played after and was 25 or 26. It is still a mens tournament
This list is great for WJC, makes no sense for Olympic team. These kids are not even the best on their college teams. Maybe in 4 or 5 years. Remember, Eruzione was graduated, played after and was 25 or 26. It is still a mens tournament
fishcore12
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Re: If the olympics were still amateur...
Valery-Trabucco is Canadian. Went to HS in Lake Placid with him...he's originally from Quebec
Valery-Trabucco is Canadian. Went to HS in Lake Placid with him...he's originally from Quebec
Patman
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Re: If the olympics were still amateur...
my bad... I got lost between all the lists
Yes, Thunder Bay is in Ontario, which is why he listed Carter Hutton as goalie for the mythical Canadian team over Kieran Millian (from Edmonton, Alberta) and Alex Beaudry (from Cumberland, Ontario).
my bad... I got lost between all the lists
Happy
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Re: If the olympics were still amateur...
The whole amateur thing is a problem, I agree, but the Olympic amateur part is not a shame. If you start something, you get to make the rules. After all, there is nothing stopping you from starting your own SWAMILYMPICS, and have only pros play. In most ways, I would rather go back to all amateurs, because now all most of the Olympics has become is just another stop on the world tour for most sports, or an All-Star game for team sports.
An example of a sport being ruined in the same sort of way is the America's Cup. Now that it is being fought basically by lawyers and corporations, no one cares anymore.
The whole amateur thing is a problem, I agree, but the Olympic amateur part is not a shame. If you start something, you get to make the rules. After all, there is nothing stopping you from starting your own SWAMILYMPICS, and have only pros play. In most ways, I would rather go back to all amateurs, because now all most of the Olympics has become is just another stop on the world tour for most sports, or an All-Star game for team sports.
An example of a sport being ruined in the same sort of way is the America's Cup. Now that it is being fought basically by lawyers and corporations, no one cares anymore.
Happy
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Re: If the olympics were still amateur...
Just ignore the Canadians like I do, and it isn't a problem.
my bad... I got lost between all the lists
Just ignore the Canadians like I do, and it isn't a problem.
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irishfan85
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Re: If the olympics were still amateur...
Lot's of reading comprehension majors on this thread.
The whole list is made up of Canadians.
Lot's of reading comprehension majors on this thread.
Re: If the olympics were still amateur...
Professionals get all of the above, plus salaries on top. That's the big difference.
Powers &8^]
Professionals get all of the above, plus salaries on top. That's the big difference.
Powers &8^]
Re: If the olympics were still amateur...
Yeah, what Baron Pierre de Coubertin thought about the desireability of "amateurism" is hardly relevant over a century later. To be a world class athlete in anything is a full time job.
Alpine skiing was always chock a block with "shamateurism." On the eve of the '72 winter games, Avery Brundage of the IOC expelled the great Austrian downhiller Karl Schranz, who was making 6 figures as an "amateur." One year Italian Gustavo Toeni won the FIS competition as the best skiier in the world. At a news conference a reporter asked him what it meant and before the kid could answer, another reporter shouted out: "800 million Lira a year."
During the cold war the communist countries always compared our scholarship athletes with their "soldiers." The biggest difference was the lack of central control. The two most dominant big men of their era, Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Bill Walton, did not play for the US in the Olympics. And no force could have required them to play. A similar scenario in a "workers paradise" is inconcievable. In hockey, the Soviets had about a million players in their system. All of whom were moved around at the whim of sports officials. At the top of that pyramid was an NHL-like league with teams like Spartak and Wings of the Soviet Army. The team we saw in the Olympics was an all star team from that league. One year, goalie Vladislav Tretiak entered the Olympics a "sergeant" and ended them a "captain."
Swami's point about the life styles of these athletes is dead on. During the Olympics I posted about an "up close and personal" segment ABC did years ago on the great Soviet gymnast Nelly Kim. She had her own apartment, a duplex, with her coach on the other level and drove an American car. She was living la dolce vita, Soviet style. You can imagine that any little problems she had with the bureauocracy were quickly and efficiently overcome. It was certainly a good deal for her.
Over the years totalitarian governments (Nazi Germany, the Sovet Republics) have labored hard to show the "superiority" of their systems based on the outcome of athletic competitions. The steroid scandals of the East German swim team are perhaps the worst example of this, given that many of those girls have suffered and are suffering as a result. These girls didn't volunteer to take the drugs and there was certainly no "informed consent" involved. Just a government employee ordering them to roll up their sleeves. Not to mention hard working swimmers from other countrys who were cheated out of medals (and only now are beginning to see the record corrected). And let's not forget the Press "sisters," Tamara and Irina, who were gold medal winning athletes, until the IOC established gender testing. The "girls" quickly retired.
No, we're much better off to have abandoned that quaint 19th century notion about "amateurs."
Yeah, what Baron Pierre de Coubertin thought about the desireability of "amateurism" is hardly relevant over a century later. To be a world class athlete in anything is a full time job.
Alpine skiing was always chock a block with "shamateurism." On the eve of the '72 winter games, Avery Brundage of the IOC expelled the great Austrian downhiller Karl Schranz, who was making 6 figures as an "amateur." One year Italian Gustavo Toeni won the FIS competition as the best skiier in the world. At a news conference a reporter asked him what it meant and before the kid could answer, another reporter shouted out: "800 million Lira a year."
During the cold war the communist countries always compared our scholarship athletes with their "soldiers." The biggest difference was the lack of central control. The two most dominant big men of their era, Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Bill Walton, did not play for the US in the Olympics. And no force could have required them to play. A similar scenario in a "workers paradise" is inconcievable. In hockey, the Soviets had about a million players in their system. All of whom were moved around at the whim of sports officials. At the top of that pyramid was an NHL-like league with teams like Spartak and Wings of the Soviet Army. The team we saw in the Olympics was an all star team from that league. One year, goalie Vladislav Tretiak entered the Olympics a "sergeant" and ended them a "captain."
Swami's point about the life styles of these athletes is dead on. During the Olympics I posted about an "up close and personal" segment ABC did years ago on the great Soviet gymnast Nelly Kim. She had her own apartment, a duplex, with her coach on the other level and drove an American car. She was living la dolce vita, Soviet style. You can imagine that any little problems she had with the bureauocracy were quickly and efficiently overcome. It was certainly a good deal for her.
Over the years totalitarian governments (Nazi Germany, the Sovet Republics) have labored hard to show the "superiority" of their systems based on the outcome of athletic competitions. The steroid scandals of the East German swim team are perhaps the worst example of this, given that many of those girls have suffered and are suffering as a result. These girls didn't volunteer to take the drugs and there was certainly no "informed consent" involved. Just a government employee ordering them to roll up their sleeves. Not to mention hard working swimmers from other countrys who were cheated out of medals (and only now are beginning to see the record corrected). And let's not forget the Press "sisters," Tamara and Irina, who were gold medal winning athletes, until the IOC established gender testing. The "girls" quickly retired.
No, we're much better off to have abandoned that quaint 19th century notion about "amateurs."
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Puck Swami
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Re: If the olympics were still amateur...
Soccer does something similar with the Olympics, with all rosters full of U-23s save for 3 overage players so they don't dilute their World Cup. Were the Winter Olympics to use this U-20 model (or U-23?) for hockey, I think the US college coaches would be furious, as players would miss the heart of the schedule and miss a ton of class time, unlike the WJCs held over Christmas break, with class time minimized. Of course, you could also have the kids take the whole season off and train full time and play against NHL, Minor and International teams. Personally, I think the Olympics should have the best players, and those players are (mostly) in the NHL.
The other solution is to have the NHL players in the Summer Olympic Games, but that would rob the program-challnenged Winter Olympics of a prime sport and Hockey wouldn't make much of a splash in the Summer Games.
Soccer does something similar with the Olympics, with all rosters full of U-23s save for 3 overage players so they don't dilute their World Cup. Were the Winter Olympics to use this U-20 model (or U-23?) for hockey, I think the US college coaches would be furious, as players would miss the heart of the schedule and miss a ton of class time, unlike the WJCs held over Christmas break, with class time minimized. Of course, you could also have the kids take the whole season off and train full time and play against NHL, Minor and International teams. Personally, I think the Olympics should have the best players, and those players are (mostly) in the NHL.
The other solution is to have the NHL players in the Summer Olympic Games, but that would rob the program-challnenged Winter Olympics of a prime sport and Hockey wouldn't make much of a splash in the Summer Games.
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I don't get the bolded part of your post. Before '98, this is exactly what happened - any college players took whatever amount of time required off from college and from their college team. The women to this day go even further. They take the year off from college and from their college team and play together for the year. As for whether or not NHL players should play in the Olympics in the future shouldn't be the question, in my opinion. I think a truly national TEAM should be used, just like they do with the women in the Olympics. Play together for the whole year. I don't care whether it's NHL players, professional players or amateurs. It will probably have to be "amateurs" since the NHL would never go for it, but I think for the integrity of sport and competition, you gotta go with actual teams.
I don't get the bolded part of your post. Before '98, this is exactly what happened - any college players took whatever amount of time required off from college and from their college team. The women to this day go even further. They take the year off from college and from their college team and play together for the year. As for whether or not NHL players should play in the Olympics in the future shouldn't be the question, in my opinion. I think a truly national TEAM should be used, just like they do with the women in the Olympics. Play together for the whole year. I don't care whether it's NHL players, professional players or amateurs. It will probably have to be "amateurs" since the NHL would never go for it, but I think for the integrity of sport and competition, you gotta go with actual teams.