Hockey East 2020-2021

[J.D.]

Too strict. If you can get x amount of negative tests in before a game, let the team play. Especially now when the teams have come this far, people are being vaccinated etc. Thumbs up to Denver and the state of Colorado.

 

[Chuck Murray]

https://twitter.com/MikeMcMahonCHN/s...452609032?s=20

Mike McMahon tweeted that MC cancelled their season due to one positive test. They apparently were told by the state of MA theyhad to shut it all down. There has still only been one positive test. If this is true all Massachusetts based teams are in severe jeopardy of their season being cancelled at this point.

I sense an opportunity. Does the infected MC player have pals in the BC program? BU? UMass?

ROAD TRIP!!! ;-)

 

[Chuck Murray]

It's completely insane that college teams get tons of scrutiny and yet you go into a restaurant to get takeout and see tons of people jammed together not wearing masks.

You're making the assumption that masks actually work. Florida seems to indicate otherwise.

Please feel free to resume normal non-CDC, non-virus hockey discussion.

 

[Snively65]

https://twitter.com/MikeMcMahonCHN/status/1369835886452609032?s=20

Mike McMahon tweeted that MC cancelled their season due to one positive test. They apparently were told by the state of MA theyhad to shut it all down. There has still only been one positive test. If this is true all Massachusetts based teams are in severe jeopardy of their season being cancelled at this point.

Bentley just beat Air Force 7-3 in Waltham on Tuesday night in the AHA PBMBEGAM round, but the campus went into COVID lock down today in an attempt to slow a surge in positive cases on campus to avoid all students being sent home like what happened last March. Hockey team scheduled to play at AIC in Springfield this Friday and Saturday nights in best 2 out of 3, but wondering if it will still happen.

 

[DNAEagle]

Yeah Chuck and the jury is still out on seat belts, the polio vaccine and the moon landing. But keep disbelieving if it makes you feel good.

 

[boblav1]

College Hockey News @chnews
Multiple sources indicate that Clarkson shutting down its season was a school decision based not on positive COVID tests -- but on a party attended by most of the team that broke the school's COVID safety protocols.

 

[J.D.]

Oof there was skepticism when Clarkson put out a very weird message. It really wasn't a message at all. That explains it.

 

[walrus]

Meanwhile, Denver is carrying on after having to leave 8 skaters behind. Yet allegedly one positive test ends a season in MA. Laughable.

Duke BBall just shut down for one positive test

 

[J.D.]

Duke BBall just shut down for one positive test

Ya but that was day of game

 

[leswp1]

It's completely insane that college teams get tons of scrutiny and yet you go into a restaurant to get takeout and see tons of people jammed together not wearing masks.

My guess is the reason teams are forced to shutdown is every other player on the team is considered a 'close contact' and has to quarantine for 10 days or whatever.

State of Mass protocol for all indoor sports. All tier 1 people- players, staff and coaches are in close contact others on team. Automatically shut down if there is a positive because they are all assumed close contacts. This is not new. It has been in place for many months. Some teams did not follow it but it isn't a change. Not every State has the same rules. There were at least 2 shut downs directly traced to a team only quarantining some of the players, playing a game and then the other team subsequently having positives and needing to shut down.

They shortened quarantine for this. So far that has not gone well- resulted in sequential shut downs of the team because people tested positive after they got out of initial quarantine. Moot for some teams who have almost all players having tested positive. If player has tested positive they are do not have to quarantine or test for 90 days.

If we had real contact tracing like some other countries the people jammed together in restaurants would be contact traced. We just stink at it (and have the numbers to prove it).

 

[Chuck Murray]

Yeah Chuck and the jury is still out on seat belts, the polio vaccine and the moon landing. But keep disbelieving if it makes you feel good.

Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers: A Randomized Controlled Trial: Annals of Internal Medicine: Vol 0, No 0 (acpjournals.org)

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

If you're just one of the sheep who let other folks do your critical thinking for you, bless your heart.

Doesn't it even tweak your intellectual curiosity, why the CDC has never released a similar study?

Widespread mandated mask usage didn't change things in the US this Winter, did it? Numbers were up across the board from the late Winter/early Spring 2020 numbers, when masks were far less widespread, and the virus was brand-new to our shores.

These are legitimate questions, now that we have the data and all ...

 

[ericredaxe]

Widespread mandated mask usage didn't change things in the US this Winter, did it? Numbers were up across the board from the late Winter/early Spring 2020 numbers, when masks were far less widespread, and the virus was brand-new to our shores.

Of course we have no comparison to what would have happened if everyone was unmasked this winter. And comparing spring 2020 numbers when almost everyone was hiding at home to December 2020 when many more people were out and about is not a valid comparison (as you know).

My wife and I got pregnant with our first child even though we were using birth control. Does birth control "work"?

 

[NCAA watcher]

Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers: A Randomized Controlled Trial: Annals of Internal Medicine: Vol 0, No 0 (acpjournals.org)

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

If you're just one of the sheep who let other folks do your critical thinking for you, bless your heart.

Doesn't it even tweak your intellectual curiosity, why the CDC has never released a similar study?

Widespread mandated mask usage didn't change things in the US this Winter, did it? Numbers were up across the board from the late Winter/early Spring 2020 numbers, when masks were far less widespread, and the virus was brand-new to our shores.

These are legitimate questions, now that we have the data and all ...

As a critical, non-sheep thinker, your thoughts on the following:
First, it talks about outdoor mask useage (and concludes it did not reduce positivity by more than 50%.) Are you dismissing that positive response?
Second, it is consistent with the overall view that outdoor transmission is very small. Your argument seemed to be on all mask wearing, not just outdoor ones.

But all of that said, what is the harm of wearing a mask, if it might have a positive impact? It seems like a really minor inconvenience. Unless one views it as a necessary political statement, at which point I would ask myself, what am I really trying to prove?

 

[Chuck Murray]

Of course we have no comparison to what would have happened if everyone was unmasked this winter. And comparing spring 2020 numbers when almost everyone was hiding at home to December 2020 when many more people were out and about is not a valid comparison (as you know).

Overall, I don't think there was a huge difference in the overall shut-in population between last Spring ("two weeks to flatten the curve", right?) and this past Winter. I definitely spent more time outdoors last Spring instead of this past Winter, as did most of the folks I know, if only because it was/is way warmer and nicer to be outdoors in the Spring than in the Winter, no?

The CDC runs tests/compiles data on everything. Why not on this huge public health issue?

My wife and I got pregnant with our first child even though we were using birth control. Does birth control "work"?

First of all, Congratulations!! To answer your question, apparently not.

 

[Chuck Murray]

As a critical, non-sheep thinker, your thoughts on the following:

This is usually the lead-in to 'Watcher taking me to task for getting a little too far out over my skis ...

First, it talks about outdoor mask useage (and concludes it did not reduce positivity by more than 50%.) Are you dismissing that positive response?

The report almost seems to dismiss any of its "findings" as inconclusive - both ways. Which kind of tells its own tale, no?

Second, it is consistent with the overall view that outdoor transmission is very small. Your argument seemed to be on all mask wearing, not just outdoor ones.

I guess my point is, this study is pretty much the only widespread study of its kind (or at least the only one that's been made public), and overall it's inconclusive as to whether there is any benefit to using masks. You would think the CDC - which has been all over the map on mask usage, literally from "don't bother, they aren't helpful" to "you probably should wear at least two, maybe three masks at a time" - would have spent some of its infinite time and resources on this great public health issue of our times, 'cuz it's kind of important to everyday folks, no?

I think we both know the answer to that. There was a plan, this was part of it, and it "worked". Unfortunately, now the rest of us have to live through a four year tape loop of "Weekend at Biden's" (see below).

But all of that said, what is the harm of wearing a mask, if it might have a positive impact? It seems like a really minor inconvenience. Unless one views it as a necessary political statement, at which point I would ask myself, what am I really trying to prove?

OK so let me ask you this ... who gets to determine what constitutes a "minor inconvenience"? Let's say someone decides in their SJW Eagle Scout project that rubber soled sneakers/shoes are "bad" 'cuz they use rubber from the rainforest, and they take forever to biodegrade. So no more rubber soled footwear. Alternatives? Bare feet, leather soles, canvas soles, who-knows-what soles, 3 pairs of socks, etc. Just a mere "minor inconvenience", and it might have a positive impact, right?? All for the common good, "save the whales", etc.???

Are you comfortable handing off your personal liberties like they're fashion accessories? I'm not.

I don't wear a mask outside. Period. Neither do most of the folks I know. If you want to and do, knock yourself out. It's a free country (or at least it used to be). Indoors, if I want to be there and I have to wear a mask, I will. There are places I can be/go to indoors that don't require a mask, and I appreciate them respecting my adulthood and giving me the choice. There are other places who got all preachy with mask virtue-signaling/"shaming", and I won't ever go back to those places.

I miss our little chats, but I like the hockey stuff WAY better. Have a great weekend.

JB46LOL

 

[DNAEagle]

Eye roll and then a face palm. Chuck, we understand that you are not concerned about the virus but how about the people around you, do they factor into your thinking about personal freedom.

 

[BCeagle]

Anybody here got the vaccine yet ?

I got mine on Sunday @ Gillette and no side effect until Tuesday night after work

For the next few days I was in excruciating pain around my neck

The pain would last for moments 3-8 seconds before it subsides

I couldn't get up from bed or turn my head without worrying about a sudden rush of stabbing pain

It was so bad that while driving I had trouble looking at my side mirrors while stopping and turning or pulling out. The pain was so intense but my nephew had different side effects. He felt feverish and flu like symtoms for a few days.

Lucky for me today it has subsided and almost back to normal

But there is still some soreness and stiffness around my neck

I'm seeing a doctor tomorrow to check it out

My 2nd shot is early April and they say usually the 2nd one has more side effects

 

[Split-N]

Got my first (Moderna). Nothing more than dull sensation at the injection site that cleared in less than 24 hrs. Several friends who have had the second say that any side effects are no more than a flu or tetanus shot. No pain, no gain!!

 

[leswp1]

Got both. Moderna. First time- seriously achy deltoid. Second- fatigue, malaise and achiness. Better than a tube in my airway!
Anecdotally I have not know anyone who had a bad first reaction and then a bad second. Everyone I know who had it bad with #1 was fine for #2

 

[Chuck Murray]

Eye roll and then a face palm. Chuck, we understand that you are not concerned about the virus but how about the people around you, do they factor into your thinking about personal freedom.

I'm the most at-risk person in my family, and overall in my usual circle of friends.

I would never expect anyone else to modify their behavior on my account. Never.

Life is not supposed to be easy. If you're risk averse, don't come out. Stay home.

Hard to believe, not everyone lives life in a constant sense of fear and trepidation.

We all die someday from something. In the meantime, life is for the living. So live.