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Hockey East 2020-2021

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As a BC fan, declining to play in a middling bowl game is not the same as being able to compete for a national championship. One of the biggest things about a bowl game is the stuff you get to do off the field during bowl week. That wasn't an option this year.

Agreed - not even close

As for potential positive tests during tournament play, whoever tests positive is out. But if enough guys are testing negative leading up to the game you play the game. Some people on here will have a heart attack after reading that take but that's how I feel.

Wholeheartedly agree

It won't be exactly the same as winning in a normal year but let's say a team like UND wins. I won't hold it against them. They were supposed to be a great team and have been.

Respectfully disagree. Winning in the postseason is winning in the postseason - length or quality of the regular season means virtually nothing, and any team that wins a tourney OR national title this season earns an asterisk-free piece of hardware, as far as I'm concerned.
 
Huge difference IMO between a team voluntarily opting out of what is basically a meaningless bowl game and a team’s chance at a conference championship ending because of positive test results.
 
To Chuck, J.D., and the others who think COVID “isn’t a big deal for young people/it’s really nothing more than a bad cold”.... Please see below article from today in the Athletic. Oh, and to Chuck, I guess my sources about Stalock, Marco Rossi, and other NHL players being diagnosed/suffering from significant post-Covid myocarditis aren’t so bad after all.

https://links.e1.theathletic.com/a/c...gz8VxJPuchU%3D

Here’s some excerpts from the article. Just in case Chuck has trouble reading the whole thing...

Coming off a 20-win season, Stalock was expected to enter this season as new No. 1 Cam Talbot’s backup. That was until an upper-body issue popped up out of nowhere, turned Stalock’s life upside down and caused him to miss all of training camp and the first six weeks of the season.

To be respectful of Stalock’s privacy during what was a very hard time for the veteran goaltender, the Wild have kept Stalock’s medical condition on the hush-hush and labeled it an upper-body injury.
What’s frightening is the upper-body “injury” was to his heart, Stalock revealed publicly for the first time Monday to The Athletic.

In November, Stalock was stunned when he was diagnosed with myocarditis — an inflammation of the heart muscle — after testing positive for COVID-19. The risk with myocarditis is it can lead to cardiac arrest or sudden death, especially if an athlete gets his or her heart rate up.
On Nov. 19, Stalock was tested for the coronavirus in order to get cleared to officially enter the Wild’s TRIA Rink practice facility in order to get ready for the upcoming hockey season. The next day, at 3 o’clock, he was driving to his friend’s cabin with his wife and three children when the Wild team doctor called to tell him he tested positive for the virus. Stalock’s wife, Felicia, immediately put a mask on herself and their children, and the family turned around to return to the Twin Cities.

Still, Stalock didn’t believe he had the virus. He had no symptoms and maintains he still never had a single symptom from having the virus. He thought it had to be a false positive and asked to get clearance to the Wild’s practice facility.

But following NHL protocol, doctors told him he first needed to go through a cardiac screening even though he was symptom-free. Stalock took an EKG and echocardiogram figuring it was just a formality and, bluntly, a waste of time. But doctors immediately noticed an abnormality and ordered an MRI to get a better look at his heart.

“When they got a better picture, sure enough, they said, ‘You have myocarditis — a swelling or edema in your heart,’ and you can’t do anything for the next six weeks,” Stalock said. “It was just crazy. It was right at the time where they were finding this in a lot of athletes after having COVID, especially in college football.

“Those first couple weeks were scary. You go on the internet and read stuff and you’re like, ‘Holy shit.’ I was completely asymptomatic, but they think because I had no symptoms and had it in my system that because it was right at the time where we were ramping things up with skating and working out and ramping up for the season that my heart was working and working and working and started to get stressed and swell because of the virus in my system. I mean, that’s pretty scary. We have two kids and just had a newborn baby and then you find out this news, so there was a lot going on there for a couple weeks.

“It was mentally draining and very frustrating. Every doctor you talk to, they’re like, ‘This is so new, we don’t know what can happen.’ And you’re like, ‘Well, that doesn’t help.’”

Stalock is the second Wild player to suffer from complications from having COVID-19. Like Stalock, first-round pick Marco Rossi failed his cardiac screening after the world junior championships and similarly was told he can do nothing for six weeks. He’s currently back in his native Austria and will soon return to Minnesota to get reexamined by Wild doctors and specialists.


Also, here’s a link to a podcast that Athletic writer Michael Russo has with the president of Mayo Clinic Labs, Dr. William Maurice. Very interesting stuff.

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But hey Chuck, Covid’s no big deal...Right?
 
I will ask one question though. Are NHLers or athletes in general routinely screened for myocarditis? Or have they only started to be screened for that since COVID? But I don't mean to ruin your party of detailing accounts of a few athletes. I know you take great pleasure in doing so. As I have said any number of times, athletes don't have to play if they are concerned. Nobody is forcing them to play. Alex Stalock is 33 years old. He has access to the same information as anybody else.
 
Ah of course, the resident troll is back trying to claim I said things that I never did.

He's the only person I know whose "excerpts" go on for a dozen paragraphs.

Boring AND an alarmist. Charming combination ...
 
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BREAKING: Merrimack won't be able to continue with its season. Games vs. UVM this weekend are canceled and per a source, Merrimack won't compete in the HEA playoffs, which is scheduled to begin with the first round on Wednesday.

Apparently Commish Press Release was caught by surprise when Mrs. Commish put her foot down, and refused to reschedule plans for a quiet week away to celebrate their 20th anniversary.

In separate but potentially related news, Lawrence Fire & Rescue responded to a 9-1-1 call this evening at the New Balance building in downtown Lawrence, where a balding, middle aged Caucasian male was threatening to jump from the roof of the building into the Merrimack River below. The man was heard yelling things like "Mission Merrimack must be completed!" and "We had UNH's number this season, why can't we do it again in the playoffs?!?" before he was dragged to safety by men in clean white coats to the Shattuck-McLean wing of the Lawrence General Hospital for overnight observation, and a few handfuls of happy pills to take the edge off things.
 
Holy Cross just had to bail on their tourney. I know some folks speculated that teams would do whatever they had to in order to play but I doubt that is true. It would almost certainly be a fireable offense for the entire coaching staff if they tried something funny. Looks like there is decent potential for this to turn into a compete farce but hopefully that doesn’t happen.
 
What is trying something funny? Teams can continue to bail if they want, the men's basketball tournament etc are happening.
 
This has to be absolutely heartbreaking for zlax and the other resident troll:

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/i...covid-19-developed-inflammatory-heart-disease


Believe it or not, I'm actually open to what new information might tell us about whether it's safe or not for athletes to play in regards to the issue of myocarditis. So, the findings of this study are obviously great news and, it certainly appears that the risk is much less than originally thought. However, the study was done during the months of lowest infection rates nationally and, while the NHL and NBA were "bubbled". Since October, a number of NHL players have been diagnosed with Covid-related myocarditis. Do those new cases change the percentages significantly? Probably not. Still, let's wait until the studies involving the NCAA are added before we get too excited.

Finally, there's this from the article...

The study did not shed light on what might happen over the long term with those players who were diagnosed with heart inflammation. They will continue to be monitored with MRIs to see if the effects fade away with time.

"Only time will tell if, five years from now, we'll have an epidemic of failed hearts," said Dr. Robert Bonow, a cardiologist at Northwestern University and editor of JAMA Cardiology who was not affiliated with the study. "But I think that is unlikely."
 
What is trying something funny? Teams can continue to bail if they want, the men's basketball tournament etc are happening.

Trying to cover up a positive test or someone exposed to a person who is confirmed/suspected of having Covid.
 
Nobody would cover up a positive test. The confusing part of this is that as far as I know the NCAA doesn't have a set COVID policy. Hockey East didn't even have one. So if a positive test comes up as we enter postseason play/conferences competing against each other...there's no way of knowing what will happen. Just using football as an example i believe Ohio State had guys out due to COVID protocol during their semifinal and national championship game. Obviously a much bigger roster in football but they still played. You'd think the NCAA would have a tournament policy.
 
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More observations on the HEPI:

When UMass beat PC 8-1 at Providence, UMass gained 0.68 HEPI, PC lost 0.83 HEPI. UConn beat PC today at Storrs. UConn gained 0.57 HEPI, PC lost 0.60. I guess this difference makes sense cause it was a home win as opposed to a road win, and perhaps PC is now a worse team too than they were when UMass beat them?

UMass beat BC 3-2 in OT at Conte. UMass gained 0.4 HEPI, BC lost 0.61 HEPI. Makes sense UMass gained less than when they beat PC IMO, as 3 on 3 OT game is considered less of a win, something like 55% of a win IIRC in RPI. But interesting that BC lost more than PC did to UConn today by losing this game in OT to a strong team. I don't really get that.

Also, Maine beat UMass in a shootout in Amherst which is a tie for RPI I believe. UMass lost 0.85 HEPI, Maine gained 1.09 HEPI. In fact, Maine gained more in the shootout win UMass today than BC did beating NU and UConn did beating PC combined. It could be based on percentage somehow. If you're 0-9 and win a game, you're win percentage goes up 10%. If you're 8-1 and win a game, you win percentage goes up roughly 1%. I just wish we had the formula to know what was happening.

Is UML playing for a first round bye tomorrow now that Merrimack's season is done? I'd assume they could maybe pass NU, but to do so do they need to win in regulation or 3 on 3? If they win in a shootout and gain as much as Maine did by beating UMass (which is pretty comparable, as BU is one spot ahead of UMass and UML is one spot ahead of Maine), then that wouldn't be enough to pass NU, as it seems like teams not playing only change by about 0.06 points at most as a result of other games.

There's one game tomorrow with six possible outcomes. It shouldn't be too much to ask for the conference to release what the standings would be based on the six possible outcomes (both teams can win in three ways). I'd assume both teams would want to know and as a fan I'd want to know. Might make for some interesting situations. If UML needed a regulation win to get a bye, they might pull the goalie in a tie game at the end of the third, for example.
 
They might be thinking that considering they have to play Wednesday. But it's also a chance to gain some momentum.
 
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