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Hockey East 2010-2011

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Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

Nick Papagiorgio said:
I think it's clear Merrimack has gotten better. They don't get blown out much like they used to. National rookie of the year. Some draft picks here and there. And in the hunt for home ice in the last weekend IIRC.

Clearly, they were better than the year before. But Merrimack has had a few draft picks and decent players before. The key is to not fall back down like they have in previous upswings.
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Average GF in Denneheys 4 years = 71.5
Average GF in the previous 4 years = 81.75

Average GA in Denneheys 4 years = 102.25
Average GA in previous 4 years = 122.5

Difference Dennehey = -30.75
Difference previously = -40.75

I guess you could say that's an improvement. But, I still don't see how that makes this team "headed in the right direction." Last season they gave up the most goals in a season since Dennehey took over the help. De Costa made a 8-9th place team a 5-6th place team. If anything at least say De Costa has this team headed in the right direction. If he has a sophmore slump MC is fighting it out for the 8th and final spot.
 
Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

jcarter7669 said:
Average GF in Denneheys 4 years = 71.5
Average GF in the previous 4 years = 81.75

Average GA in Denneheys 4 years = 102.25
Average GA in previous 4 years = 122.5

Difference Dennehey = -30.75
Difference previously = -40.75

I guess you could say that's an improvement. But, I still don't see how that makes this team "headed in the right direction." Last season they gave up the most goals in a season since Dennehey took over the help. De Costa made a 8-9th place team a 5-6th place team. If anything at least say De Costa has this team headed in the right direction. If he has a sophmore slump MC is fighting it out for the 8th and final spot.
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They're not headed in the right direction. They need to be scoring less and giving up more goals. and OK, De Costa has the team going in the right direction. Who got him there? Cronin? Umile? It's tough building a program with little to no success at the D1 level so any improvement is slow. But as shown, it coming. You can say that most of NU;s success under Cronin is because of Thiessen, but Cronin still got him here. And he's gotten other people as well. Denehey has them moving in the right direction. Not a rookie.
 
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jcarter7669 said:
Average GF in Denneheys 4 years = 71.5
Average GF in the previous 4 years = 81.75

Average GA in Denneheys 4 years = 102.25
Average GA in previous 4 years = 122.5

Difference Dennehey = -30.75
Difference previously = -40.75

I guess you could say that's an improvement. But, I still don't see how that makes this team "headed in the right direction." Last season they gave up the most goals in a season since Dennehey took over the help. De Costa made a 8-9th place team a 5-6th place team. If anything at least say De Costa has this team headed in the right direction. If he has a sophmore slump MC is fighting it out for the 8th and final spot.
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With full credit to SteveF for making me think of this sceen.
 
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There is a direct correlation between heavy program investment and success on the ice.

The usual suspects -- the 10-12 prograns that consistently tend to make the NCAAs each year are all products of large scale monetary investment to uphold and maintain their status.

Until the mid-to-lower teams in all leagues get out the checkbook and spend, they are mostly doomed to stay where they are. Follow the money, folks.
 
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jcarter7669 said:
Average GF in Denneheys 4 years = 71.5
Average GF in the previous 4 years = 81.75

Average GA in Denneheys 4 years = 102.25
Average GA in previous 4 years = 122.5

Difference Dennehey = -30.75
Difference previously = -40.75

I guess you could say that's an improvement. But, I still don't see how that makes this team "headed in the right direction." Last season they gave up the most goals in a season since Dennehey took over the help. De Costa made a 8-9th place team a 5-6th place team. If anything at least say De Costa has this team headed in the right direction. If he has a sophmore slump MC is fighting it out for the 8th and final spot.
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beyond being dense.... whyn't you look at the past two years where he has at least had some guys he recruited and compare those to the final two years before he got there.
 
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jcarter7669 said:
Average GF in Denneheys 4 years = 71.5
Average GF in the previous 4 years = 81.75

Average GA in Denneheys 4 years = 102.25
Average GA in previous 4 years = 122.5

Difference Dennehey = -30.75
Difference previously = -40.75

I guess you could say that's an improvement. But, I still don't see how that makes this team "headed in the right direction." Last season they gave up the most goals in a season since Dennehey took over the help. De Costa made a 8-9th place team a 5-6th place team. If anything at least say De Costa has this team headed in the right direction. If he has a sophmore slump MC is fighting it out for the 8th and final spot.
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You seriously need to give up the internet.
 
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mookie1995 said:
beyond being dense.... whyn't you look at the past two years where he has at least had some guys he recruited and compare those to the final two years before he got there.
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Are you sure Dennehy recruited DaCosta and Bigos (+ Collins)? As I understand it, Albie O'connell had a lot to do with it, before he moved over to NU. It also helped that another assistant, Yopyk, caught a plum job coaching the Westside Warriors in the BCJHL. Mack has some strong defensive recruits coming fromn that league next fall.
 
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Ryecheers said:
Are you sure Dennehy recruited DaCosta and Bigos (+ Collins)? As I understand it, Albie O'connell had a lot to do with it, before he moved over to NU. It also helped that another assistant, Yopyk, caught a plum job coaching the Westside Warriors in the BCJHL. Mack has some strong defensive recruits coming fromn that league next fall.
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i'm sure he had less to do with the guys he led during seasons #'d 1 (and 2).
 
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mookie1995 said:
beyond being dense.... whyn't you look at the past two years where he has at least had some guys he recruited and compare those to the final two years before he got there.
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Thanks mookie, excellent idea. Since I made the original statement "Dennehey has them headed in the right direction", I'll back it up.

Look at the 3 seasons immediately prior to Dennehey's arrival; MC's overall win total went from 12 to 10 to 8, and in HE, from 7 to 5 to 1. So Dennehey inherits a team that had 1 win in HE,and the trend is clearly in the wrong direction.

'05-06 - 6 wins overall, 3 in HE. He gets Serino recruit Ricci (all Rookie team) and Sr.'s Schmidt (top notch D [yes, H'Dad, I had forgotten to include him previously]) and M. Johnson.

'06-07 - ouch! 3 wins total, 3 in HE; only 37 goals in 34 games Ricci suspended for the year. New frosh recruits score 16, sophs, jrs, srs combine for the other 21.

'07-08 - 12 wins total, 6 in HE. Ricci back, and 7 of top 10 scorers are Dennehey (O'Connell?) recruits.

'08-'09 - 9 wins total, 5 in HE. Looks like a step back, but peel the onion a bit. 14 losses (12 in HE) are by 1 goal. Frosh Cannata plays very very well. As the esteemed Nick P so eloquently stated, "they don't get blown out much like they used to"

'09-'10 - 16 wins, 12 in HE. National rookie of the year. HE co-coach of the year. 10 of top 12 scorers returning next year.

Any arguement that states "well, if they didn't have Da Costa" is specious. The fact is THEY DID/DO have Da Costa (hopefully for at least another season).

So HE wins from 3, 3, 6, 5, 12 looks like "the right direction" to me. I hope the trend continues this way. And given that I didn't see a "Kick Merrihack Out of Hockey East" thread this year, that has to count for something.
 
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Puck Swami said:
Until the mid-to-lower teams in all leagues get out the checkbook and spend, they are mostly doomed to stay where they are.
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I suppose a generous Denver alum would like to donate to the UMass-Lowell hockey program? :rolleyes:

Swami... I understand your point... but don't act like its going to be that easy.
 
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If DaCosta leaves Merrimack will not make playoffs. If he stays they have good chance at home ice.
 
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If DaCosta leaves, they'll still be in the hunt for a playoff spot. There is other talent on that team: Barton had 19 goals including three in the first two games at UND w/o DaCosta! Stollery has close to 35 points in two seasons on the blue line, add in Jesse Todd, Bigos, Cannata, Cucci, Brodhag, Ross and as someone else pointed out 3-4 very solid recruits this year including the BCHL's top two D-Men.

The whole "if they didn't have DaCosta" argument is sour grapes for teams that got beat by them this past year (every team in HE by the way). Same specious argument as "the rink there at Volpe gives them a big advantage". Something never complained about until teams starting losing there. Would be like saying "well, if Stalberg wasn't at UVM, you never would have made the frozen four". Takes a hell of a lot more than one player doesn't it?
 
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RENCEB said:
Thanks mookie, excellent idea. Since I made the original statement "Dennehey has them headed in the right direction", I'll back it up.

Look at the 3 seasons immediately prior to Dennehey's arrival; MC's overall win total went from 12 to 10 to 8, and in HE, from 7 to 5 to 1. So Dennehey inherits a team that had 1 win in HE,and the trend is clearly in the wrong direction.

'05-06 - 6 wins overall, 3 in HE. He gets Serino recruit Ricci (all Rookie team) and Sr.'s Schmidt (top notch D [yes, H'Dad, I had forgotten to include him previously]) and M. Johnson.

'06-07 - ouch! 3 wins total, 3 in HE; only 37 goals in 34 games Ricci suspended for the year. New frosh recruits score 16, sophs, jrs, srs combine for the other 21.

'07-08 - 12 wins total, 6 in HE. Ricci back, and 7 of top 10 scorers are Dennehey (O'Connell?) recruits.

'08-'09 - 9 wins total, 5 in HE. Looks like a step back, but peel the onion a bit. 14 losses (12 in HE) are by 1 goal. Frosh Cannata plays very very well. As the esteemed Nick P so eloquently stated, "they don't get blown out much like they used to"

'09-'10 - 16 wins, 12 in HE. National rookie of the year. HE co-coach of the year. 10 of top 12 scorers returning next year.

Any arguement that states "well, if they didn't have Da Costa" is specious. The fact is THEY DID/DO have Da Costa (hopefully for at least another season).

So HE wins from 3, 3, 6, 5, 12 looks like "the right direction" to me. I hope the trend continues this way. And given that I didn't see a "Kick Merrihack Out of Hockey East" thread this year, that has to count for something.
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Thanks for actually responding to the question posed instead of just being an arse like some of the other posters. I do in fact appreciate it.

I see how you could come to the conclusion, the previous trend was headed down and the overall trend now appears to be heading up, but I guess I will wait until after this season to really say MC is headed in any particular direction.

Again, I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
 
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RENCEB said:
Any arguement that states "well, if they didn't have Da Costa" is specious. The fact is THEY DID/DO have Da Costa (hopefully for at least another season).

So HE wins from 3, 3, 6, 5, 12 looks like "the right direction" to me. I hope the trend continues this way. And given that I didn't see a "Kick Merrihack Out of Hockey East" thread this year, that has to count for something.
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Exactly.
 
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FWIW Merrimack average home attendence last 5 years:
2005-2006 1721
2006-2007 1689
2007-2008 1798 (UMASS game missing as HE showed 0 as attendence)
2008-2009 1724
2009-2010 2176 (+ 21% from previous year)
 
Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

mookie1995 said:
beyond being dense.... whyn't you look at the past two years where he has at least had some guys he recruited and compare those to the final two years before he got there.
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Stupid post by jcarter as usual. Maine, for the most part, had a lousy season last year but because Nyquist is back and they played well in their last three games, people are jumping on the Maine bandwagon.

I think Merrimack has a similarly explosive player in Da Costa and a much better goaltending situation. I guess people will always think of MC as MC (myself included).
 
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