Hockey East 2010-2011

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

Last 2 games?

 

[Slasher7]

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Wut?

Want to try that again?

5-8 in their last 13? got swept at home vs. UMass the last week of the season? 4-10 on the road? People remember the win vs. BU and the last two games of the UML series, but they really didn't play vs. BC, despite the 6 goal effort. I guess I"m starting to see that Maine may be a fraud afterall.

 

[ck1969]

Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

5-8 in their last 13? got swept at home vs. UMass the last week of the season? 4-10 on the road? People remember the win vs. BU and the last two games of the UML series, but they really didn't play vs. BC, despite the 6 goal effort. I guess I"m starting to see that Maine may be a fraud afterall.

They had a lousy end of the season. From November thru late February they had a pretty good run. Didn't play vs BC? OK. Don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

 

[Slasher7]

Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

They had a lousy end of the season. From November thru late February they had a pretty good run. Didn't play vs BC? OK. Don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

They had a good run behind Darling, but once he got hurt, they went to crap. Didn't BC beat them 7-0 or something to end their "streak"?

Offensively they were good vs. BC at the Garden, but defense and goaltending was terrible. They took it to BC that game, but for some reason, people from Old Towne to Kennebunk think this Maine team is going to make some kind of run next year. I just dont' see it. They'll get home ice, maybe even second place thanks to a bad Hockey East but that's about it.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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I don't see it either, but crazier crap has happened.

 

[amherstblackbear]

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5-8 in their last 13? got swept at home vs. UMass the last week of the season? 4-10 on the road? People remember the win vs. BU and the last two games of the UML series, but they really didn't play vs. BC, despite the 6 goal effort. I guess I"m starting to see that Maine may be a fraud afterall.

And I guess what I'm saying is that you need to take a big step back. Stop being a BC fan for a minute, if possible. Your standards are impossible. And Maine's old standards aren't appropriate, either. In 2000, it would have been a lousy season, sure. In 2010, though? That's crazy-talk.

Maine had a crappy start to the season and a crappy end to the regular season. Coincidentally or not, both occurred around the same time as suspensions to the #1 goaltender. It's hard to argue with what went on in-between, though. And it's even harder to argue, as you did, that it was a lousy season for the most part.

In recent years, it would be generous to describe Maine as offensively inept. Maine scored 86 goals in 2008-9. 77 in 2007-8. Their leading scorer that season was Wes Clark (with 10). This season they scored 143. The senior class only accounted for 13 of those.

 

[jcarter7669]

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Stupid post by jcarter as usual. Maine, for the most part, had a lousy season last year but because Nyquist is back and they played well in their last three games, people are jumping on the Maine bandwagon.

I think Merrimack has a similarly explosive player in Da Costa and a much better goaltending situation. I guess people will always think of MC as MC (myself included).

And.....the pot called the kettle black. dumass

 

[Slasher7]

Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

And I guess what I'm saying is that you need to take a big step back. Stop being a BC fan for a minute, if possible. Your standards are impossible. And Maine's old standards aren't appropriate, either. In 2000, it would have been a lousy season, sure. In 2010, though? That's crazy-talk.

Maine had a crappy start to the season and a crappy end to the regular season. Coincidentally or not, both occurred around the same time as suspensions to the #1 goaltender. It's hard to argue with what went on in-between, though. And it's even harder to argue, as you did, that it was a lousy season for the most part.

In recent years, it would be generous to describe Maine as offensively inept. Maine scored 86 goals in 2008-9. 77 in 2007-8. Their leading scorer that season was Wes Clark (with 10). This season they scored 143. The senior class only accounted for 13 of those.

First, understand I am not saying Maine is going to suck or miss the NCAAs. I think they will be there. Just reading some of the Maine stuff, not so much on this thread, people seem to forget how bad Maine performed on the road and how at times they were just, bad.

Maine's PP should be strong, but there are gigantic holes in net and on defense on that team that some people are ignoring. Almost whistling past the graveyard and focusing on just the offense (which should be among the best in the nation)

 

[GoMaine24]

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OK, first of all, there is one fairly realistic thing that could happen this summer which would really humanize BC.

Yes, their offense is loaded, most of them are slated to come back, and they have minimal flight risks. They'll be starting a goalie with 2 NCs in his first 3 years and an NHL drafted defense nearly top to bottom. Their's to lose, right?

Their offense will be great, and Muse will be there, but I don't think its unrealistic to think *this summer* NHL teams could rape and pillage their defense which could really shake their foundation.

Dumoulin - 6'3'' 200+lbs - (Car)....3 years of eligability left
Cross - 6'3'' 210 lbs - (Bos).....2 years of eligability left
Samuelsson 6'2'' 200 lbs - (Pit).....3 years left
Wey 6'2'' 200lbs - (Was)....3 years left
Graduating Sneep


These are kids who are highly regarded prospects with pro-ready frames on them already. They've already won a beanpot, HEA Crown, National Championship and got to play outdoors at Fenway Park. Really, that's a long 3 years to wait around for when your only real accomplishments are things you've already done....and you know the scouts are going to point that out.

When you can achieve all your NCAA goals in one year and get a jump start on your pro career....you're going to take it. You can return to school at any age, you only have a certain window to play hockey at a high level.


And we saw how beatable Muse can be even with those big boys in front of him. Not too many teams can let in 6 goals in the conference championship and 7 in regionals and walk away with both crowns. And sure those speedy little guys will be back, but with no big bodies around to protect them from other teams rattling their cage every chance they get.....as long as your goalie is having an above average night, and your d-men are playing as tight and physical as possible, BC becomes very beatable in more of those track meet style games.


Their D taking a hike could really be their kryptonite. If they don't, well sure, I'll put my money down on BC early...but for a team defined by their offense and Muse.....their D could really make or break how far they go next year.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Its very rare that we see BC kids leave early. Even if they could potentially go after a year or two they seem to almost always stay three.

 

[J.D.]

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Honestly, nobody is "expected" to leave. I know things can still change, but we're probably looking at after next year for some guys to leave early.

 

[GoNU5]

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OK, first of all, there is one fairly realistic thing that could happen this summer which would really humanize BC.

Yes, their offense is loaded, most of them are slated to come back, and they have minimal flight risks. They'll be starting a goalie with 2 NCs in his first 3 years and an NHL drafted defense nearly top to bottom. Their's to lose, right?

Their offense will be great, and Muse will be there, but I don't think its unrealistic to think *this summer* NHL teams could rape and pillage their defense which could really shake their foundation.

Dumoulin - 6'3'' 200+lbs - (Car)....3 years of eligability left
Cross - 6'3'' 210 lbs - (Bos).....2 years of eligability left
Samuelsson 6'2'' 200 lbs - (Pit).....3 years left
Wey 6'2'' 200lbs - (Was)....3 years left
Graduating Sneep


These are kids who are highly regarded prospects with pro-ready frames on them already. They've already won a beanpot, HEA Crown, National Championship and got to play outdoors at Fenway Park. Really, that's a long 3 years to wait around for when your only real accomplishments are things you've already done....and you know the scouts are going to point that out.

When you can achieve all your NCAA goals in one year and get a jump start on your pro career....you're going to take it. You can return to school at any age, you only have a certain window to play hockey at a high level.


And we saw how beatable Muse can be even with those big boys in front of him. Not too many teams can let in 6 goals in the conference championship and 7 in regionals and walk away with both crowns. And sure those speedy little guys will be back, but with no big bodies around to protect them from other teams rattling their cage every chance they get.....as long as your goalie is having an above average night, and your d-men are playing as tight and physical as possible, BC becomes very beatable in more of those track meet style games.


Their D taking a hike could really be their kryptonite. If they don't, well sure, I'll put my money down on BC early...but for a team defined by their offense and Muse.....their D could really make or break how far they go next year.

I thought I heard Cross got an offer but decided to stay. I don't really see why Wey would leave, Washington has a ton of depth already. Plus, BC had a very young defensive corp this year, and it didn't stop them from winning everything, and they'll probably get some good recruits anyway.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

What a terribly stupid post from start to finish.

OK, first of all, there is one fairly realistic thing that could happen this summer which would really humanize BC.

but I don't think its unrealistic to think *this summer* NHL teams could rape and pillage their defense which could really shake their foundation.

Let's get this right out of the way. I'm sure you're having sweet dreams hoping all of BCs players will leave early so that your hillbilly team from Maine can slip into the top spot and moonshine will flow freely in Vacationland (because no one would really want to LIVE there year round) to celebrate the return to the top for Maine hockey as we once knew it. Let me slap you in the face with some reality. Very very very very very unlikely.

Furthermore, BC has a lot of depth on defense with 8 guys expected to hold spots on the roster next year. They are bringing in a highly regarded replacement for Sneep in Macleod. The only problem is, a guy they expected to get nothing from is playing like a champ (Patch Alber). Macleod will fight for ice time.

Dumoulin - 6'3'' 200+lbs - (Car)....3 years of eligability left
Cross - 6'3'' 210 lbs - (Bos).....2 years of eligability left
Samuelsson 6'2'' 200 lbs - (Pit).....3 years left
Wey 6'2'' 200lbs - (Was)....3 years left


These are kids who are highly regarded prospects with pro-ready frames on them already. They've already won a beanpot, HEA Crown, National Championship and got to play outdoors at Fenway Park. Really, that's a long 3 years to wait around for when your only real accomplishments are things you've already done....and you know the scouts are going to point that out.

The fact that they've won something already is not relevant. It's about their development and what the NHL team that holds their rights will want them to do. Scouts are not going to point anything like that out - they care about what he can do and what he needs to work on.

- Dumoulin is the best of the bunch. But he's played 1 year and he's young as he was I believe an 18 yo freshman. Carolina can leave him in college and let him develop for free. The BC coaches did a tremendous job developing him already but he's not NHL ready. Likely a two-year guy given how ridiculously good he is, though.

- Cross' recent quote after the celebration that "I'm an Eagle" in response to a question about turning pro leads me to believe he might be a 4 year guy. He's had knee problems. He hurt his knee once again this year with a cheap shot from a Maine player. The Bruins hold his rights. Possible flight risk after his junior year, though.

- Samuelsson has been on again and off again. Inconsistent. No NHL team is spending money on this kid right now. He'll be back. He could be very good if he gets to work on his consistency. Probably a 3 or 4 year guy so don't get your hopes up. He loves it at BC and values the education quite a bit more than you think (as do most of these kids).

- Wey. Missed games with a broken hand and mono. He struggled to adjust early on. Looked better before getting mono. Like Samuelsson in that he lacked a ton of consistency. You think the Capitals are going to sign him this year? I don't. Keep dreaming.

When you can achieve all your NCAA goals in one year and get a jump start on your pro career....you're going to take it.

So you know each kid's goals? And how will they jump start their career if the organization that drafts them doesn't offer them a contract?

And we saw how beatable Muse can be even with those big boys in front of him. Not too many teams can let in 6 goals in the conference championship and 7 in regionals and walk away with both crowns.

Yes, 4 of those 7 goals Yale scored by deflections were routine saves. Not a freak of nature of anything. OK.

And sure those speedy little guys will be back, but with no big bodies around to protect them from other teams rattling their cage every chance they get.....as long as your goalie is having an above average night, and your d-men are playing as tight and physical as possible, BC becomes very beatable in more of those track meet style games.

After watching BC for the last 13 years, I don't recall seeing defensemen protecting the small BC forwards. BC is rarely beaten in track meet style games. RARELY.

In conclusion, while I think it was cute that you had a hillbilly fantasy and had to type it all up for everyone, you might be better served educating yourself about the BC defense and how NHL teams operate before flapping the gums.

Have a nice day.

 

[DownEastblkbearfan]

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I'll take my house over living on top of each other, thank you!

 

[DownEastblkbearfan]

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It doesn't get anymore HILLBILLY than Vegas Vacation so I'm guessing we're all a little HILLBILLY, right NICK?

 

[bearsFan93]

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Nick, please stop with all your repetitive hillbilly BS, it's getting old. We understand that you're obviously superior to us in every possible way.

 

[SteveF]

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When you can achieve all your NCAA goals in one year

not true!! they didnt win the ZOMG REGULAR SEASON MOST IMPORTANT - WHO CARES ABOUT THE PLAYOFFS?? TROPHY!!

 

[GoUNH]

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Nick, please stop with all your repetitive hillbilly BS, it's getting old. We understand that you're obviously superior to us in every possible way.

This is precisely the attention he craves. The individual you speak of is an insecure, predictable twit who has come to feel personally empowered by the success of a college hockey program. Strange, indeed.

Thank You

 

[walrus]

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You guys should listen to Nick, none of those guys are going anywhere. BC is the best program in D1 hockey and has been for years. Everyone else is a wannabe. The only weakness at BC is the goalie and the guy has 2 rings They don't need a goalie like Jimmy Howard, they control the game anyway

 

[GoUNH]

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You guys should listen to Nick, none of those guys are going anywhere. BC is the best program in D1 hockey and has been for years. Everyone else is a wannabe. The only weakness at BC is the goalie and the guy has 2 rings They don't need a goalie like Jimmy Howard, they control the game anyway

Not sure about the "for years" part but they certainly were the cream of the crop last season. They certainly werent unbeatable but they snuck past Maine and put a nice little run together to win the National Championship. They certainly put on a hockey clinic in that Championship game.