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Hockey East 2010-2011
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SteveF
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Re: Hockey East 2010-2011
a) i wasnt changing the parameters, i was making an apples to apples comparison to show who was better and b) you seriously are an idiot, because you fail to grasp anything more than simple concepts.
first, your initial premise is completely wrong because, even using your 1st grade logic, hamilton is terrible and is no where near muse or milner.. so that alone makes it nearly improbable that he would be part of the best tandem.
second, even taking your flawed premise into consideration, your entire argument is based on simplistic measures that completely ignore strength of schedule.
the overall numbers are extremely comparable lowell: 2.32 GAA, .920 save % compared to BC 2.38 GAA, .910 save %. but when given the choice, no one would take hamilton before they took muse or milner - even if they took hutton first. so you are taking hutton's great save % and extending it to illogical proportions.
the only thing you have left to argue is whether or not hutton's numbers were so good that you would be willing to take on hamilton's baggage anyway. i say they werent. which is why i'd say its a push. i think hutton is a great goalie, but i'd even take milan and rollheiser as a tandem before i took hamilton too.
a) i wasnt changing the parameters, i was making an apples to apples comparison to show who was better and b) you seriously are an idiot, because you fail to grasp anything more than simple concepts.
first, your initial premise is completely wrong because, even using your 1st grade logic, hamilton is terrible and is no where near muse or milner.. so that alone makes it nearly improbable that he would be part of the best tandem.
second, even taking your flawed premise into consideration, your entire argument is based on simplistic measures that completely ignore strength of schedule.
the overall numbers are extremely comparable lowell: 2.32 GAA, .920 save % compared to BC 2.38 GAA, .910 save %. but when given the choice, no one would take hamilton before they took muse or milner - even if they took hutton first. so you are taking hutton's great save % and extending it to illogical proportions.
the only thing you have left to argue is whether or not hutton's numbers were so good that you would be willing to take on hamilton's baggage anyway. i say they werent. which is why i'd say its a push. i think hutton is a great goalie, but i'd even take milan and rollheiser as a tandem before i took hamilton too.
SteveF
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Re: Hockey East 2010-2011
Your theory would make sense if I said that Hutton flat out sucked. I never said that. I've said that he's not better than Muse (and he's not). Teddy Ballgame was great, but he was a choker in the World Series. He was, though, good enough to get his team to the Series in 1946. Hutton never got his team anywhere. Its not like Hutton got to the Final and failed that would be a better argument for using the Teddy example).
Muse is Tom Brady and Derek Jeter. Regular season stats that dont blow you away (eliminating Brady in 07) but their postseason results are off the charts.
Your theory would make sense if I said that Hutton flat out sucked. I never said that. I've said that he's not better than Muse (and he's not). Teddy Ballgame was great, but he was a choker in the World Series. He was, though, good enough to get his team to the Series in 1946. Hutton never got his team anywhere. Its not like Hutton got to the Final and failed that would be a better argument for using the Teddy example).
Muse is Tom Brady and Derek Jeter. Regular season stats that dont blow you away (eliminating Brady in 07) but their postseason results are off the charts.
Re: Hockey East 2010-2011
Bourque led his team to the Stanley Cup Finals twice in Boston and should have won a Cup if not for the Penguins. Comparing Hutton to Bourque, is well, you know..INSANE.
Bourque led his team to the Stanley Cup Finals twice in Boston and should have won a Cup if not for the Penguins. Comparing Hutton to Bourque, is well, you know..INSANE.
jcarter7669
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Re: Hockey East 2010-2011
Hamilton is terrible? Really a mid 2 GAA and .900+ save % is terrible? John would you take Hamilton if he decided to go play at PC? If I remember right he also held a powerhouse BU team to 1 controversial goal in the HE finals. Yup freaking bum, why would Blaise even let him suit up?
I think looking at the number of shots they were able to stop is a pretty neutral indicator. Wins losses, or GAA depend heavily on the competition but save % is pretty equal.
So you think Milan and Rollheiser were a better tandem then Hutton and Hamilton last season? Sorry but I would disagree with that.
I'm not sure you even understand the question, you better go back and read the thread...especially before you go calling other people idiots.
You eliminated games ( post season at that ) where Muse got schooled. That's a real apples to apples comparison.
Hamilton is terrible? Really a mid 2 GAA and .900+ save % is terrible? John would you take Hamilton if he decided to go play at PC? If I remember right he also held a powerhouse BU team to 1 controversial goal in the HE finals. Yup freaking bum, why would Blaise even let him suit up?
I think looking at the number of shots they were able to stop is a pretty neutral indicator. Wins losses, or GAA depend heavily on the competition but save % is pretty equal.
This isn't a freaking hypothetical question? I think you are confused.
So you think Milan and Rollheiser were a better tandem then Hutton and Hamilton last season? Sorry but I would disagree with that.
I'm not sure you even understand the question, you better go back and read the thread...especially before you go calling other people idiots.
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jcarter7669
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Re: Hockey East 2010-2011
You said his name didn't even belong in the same sentence as Muse...
You said his name didn't even belong in the same sentence as Muse...
jcarter7669
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Re: Hockey East 2010-2011
BAHHAHAHHHAA,
But by your logic he choked on the big stage when it mattered most... just like Hutton against ME right??
ANd you think I am insane, well I guess I am a little putting this much effort into defending a UML goalie but whatever.
BAHHAHAHHHAA,
But by your logic he choked on the big stage when it mattered most... just like Hutton against ME right??
ANd you think I am insane, well I guess I am a little putting this much effort into defending a UML goalie but whatever.
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And I stand by that. Hutton cannot be used in the same sentence with John Muse. Muse is a 2X national champion with a historically good postseason record.
No knock on Hutton, but I dont think there's a goaltender in the nation today who I would put in the same class as Muse. Doesn't mean they all suck.
And I stand by that. Hutton cannot be used in the same sentence with John Muse. Muse is a 2X national champion with a historically good postseason record.
No knock on Hutton, but I dont think there's a goaltender in the nation today who I would put in the same class as Muse. Doesn't mean they all suck.
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jcarter7669
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Re: Hockey East 2010-2011
If you want to compare apples to apples why not look head to head?
Ooops, I see why.
Hutton : 4 goals in 3 games, 2 wins 1 loss 1.33GAA
Muse : 7 goals in 2 games, 2 losses no wins 3.5 GAA
If you want to compare apples to apples why not look head to head?
Ooops, I see why.
Hutton : 4 goals in 3 games, 2 wins 1 loss 1.33GAA
Muse : 7 goals in 2 games, 2 losses no wins 3.5 GAA
jcarter7669
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Re: Hockey East 2010-2011
Getting shellacked by Yale is a good? Of couse it is because Muse put them on his shoulders and single handly all by himself carried BC to a 9-7 win???
Getting shellacked by Yale is a good? Of couse it is because Muse put them on his shoulders and single handly all by himself carried BC to a 9-7 win???
sterlippo1
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Re: Hockey East 2010-2011
The best penalty kill?
yes..............and as a side, they gave up 11 less goals in conference play than the second best goals against team, yes, UML61 vs 72 or 18% less...............thats actually a pretty big gap when you think about it........
Re: Hockey East 2010-2011
Forget Maine, Hutton couldn't get his team home ice in a relatively weak Hockey East conference.
Forget Maine, Hutton couldn't get his team home ice in a relatively weak Hockey East conference.
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Did you watch that game? Yale's 7 goals could not completely be put on Muse. Regardless, I never said Muse could walk on water and put him in Dryden's class. I said he's best netminder in the game today and no one is on his level. Period.
Did you watch that game? Yale's 7 goals could not completely be put on Muse. Regardless, I never said Muse could walk on water and put him in Dryden's class. I said he's best netminder in the game today and no one is on his level. Period.
jcarter7669
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Re: Hockey East 2010-2011
Yeah it couldn't be that his team couldn't give him any support...
Yeah it couldn't be that his team couldn't give him any support...
sterlippo1
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Re: Hockey East 2010-2011
the graduated seniors, Ben Smith, Matt Lombardi, Carl Sneep and Matt Price...........
the graduated seniors, Ben Smith, Matt Lombardi, Carl Sneep and Matt Price...........
jcarter7669
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Re: Hockey East 2010-2011
But all of the goals against Hutton can be put directly on him??? I guess in Bizzarro world there are two sets of standards... one set for BC and one for the other 57 teams. I get it now, in that case you are absolutely right.
But all of the goals against Hutton can be put directly on him??? I guess in Bizzarro world there are two sets of standards... one set for BC and one for the other 57 teams. I get it now, in that case you are absolutely right.
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