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Hobey hat trick

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Terrierbyassociation said:
Geoffrion isn't even the best player on his team. I liked Smith a lot more for Hobey.
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As a Badgers fan I have to totally disagree with that assessment. Smith has the "WOW" factor in his favor, and is a high-scoring D-man. Geoffrion is among the leaders in the country in goals scored. He's the top forward on the powerplay and the top forward on the penalty kill. He also dominates the faceoff circle. There is nobody on the Wisconsin team this year that I would rather have. He does all of the dirty work and little things that don't show up on a stat sheet, and then he goes and puts up the numbers as well.

Smith is a dynamic offensive defenseman. You could see in the game vs. Vermont how important it was for Vermont to shadow Smith and his booming shot from the point on any UW Powerplay. But I think that Smith might be the 2nd best Defenseman on that team. Ryan McDonagh is the rock of that unit, he just doesn't have the gaudy offensive stats that Smith does.
 
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HCSmooth said:
As a Badgers fan I have to totally disagree with that assessment. Smith has the "WOW" factor in his favor, and is a high-scoring D-man. Geoffrion is among the leaders in the country in goals scored. He's the top forward on the powerplay and the top forward on the penalty kill. He also dominates the faceoff circle. There is nobody on the Wisconsin team this year that I would rather have. He does all of the dirty work and little things that don't show up on a stat sheet, and then he goes and puts up the numbers as well.
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Absolutely agree.

Smith is a great offensive player.
Geoffrion is a great player and captain.
 
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Slasher7 said:
If I had a vote:

1.) Nyquist
2.) Geoffrion
3.) Butler

(Although I think Geoffrion wins the award)
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Really? I think Nyquist is the solid #3 for this as his team was the weakest of the three and his numbers are so assist heavy. Butler and Geoffrion have very comparable numbers and I think it'll go to Geoffrion as his team made the FF. I'm hoping, though, that the voters realize that Bob carried his team while Geoffrion's team is loaded.
 
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Interesting that Geoffrion isn't even the top scoring forward on his team. Obviously that isn't the only factor, but whatever. Who was the WCHA POTY? Again, there is just never any consistency with this stuff.

Since it's down to these three, if I had a vote, it's Butler.
 
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J.D. said:
Interesting that Geoffrion isn't even the top scoring forward on his team. Obviously that isn't the only factor, but whatever. Who was the WCHA POTY? Again, there is just never any consistency with this stuff.

Since it's down to these three, if I had a vote, it's Butler.
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Not sure if it's rhetorical or not, but Cheverie was WCHA POTY (To the victor go the spoils).

Geoffrion falls short of Nyquist and Butler when strictly looking at offensive output. I feel relatively comfortable saying that Geoffrion probably dwarfs them in terms of everything else a player can contribute, and I've never seen either of them play. That is not a slight on Nyquist or Butler, just about Geoffrion's incredible all-around play and leadership.
 
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HCSmooth said:
Not sure if it's rhetorical or not, but Cheverie was WCHA POTY (To the victor go the spoils).

Geoffrion falls short of Nyquist and Butler when strictly looking at offensive output. I feel relatively comfortable saying that Geoffrion probably dwarfs them in terms of everything else a player can contribute, and I've never seen either of them play. That is not a slight on Nyquist or Butler, just about Geoffrion's incredible all-around play and leadership.
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Butler is all of those things as well. He's a senior captain, a great defensive player, he plays on both the power play and penalty kill, he hits. I've only seen two Wisconsin games this season (their last two), so I could be way off here, but I don't see what exactly Geoffrion does that Butler doesn't.
 
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I concede I probably shouldn't say some general things about guys I don't see often.

My statement was made in my belief that there are few guys in the country who can be their team's best scorer and offensive threat, a dominant special teams guy. His offensive numbers are impressive and not that far off of Butler's, and he leads the nation in Power Play goals. He's also probably the best penalty killer on the ice (Ryan McDonagh might object to that claim) and a guy who wins faceoffs at a ridiculous rate.

His best moment in the tournament so far was probably the faceoff he won cleanly against St. Cloud St. when they were killing a 5x3 situation where a goal can totally change the game. Clean win right to McDonagh who clears it immediately, thus killing much of that 5x3. That's not something that shows up in the stat sheet as anything more than a faceoff win, but there are few plays that were bigger.

Not to mention he's a captain of a team that he led to the Frozen Four and has scored 6 goals (11 pts) in 6 playoff games.
 
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J.D. said:
Interesting that Geoffrion isn't even the top scoring forward on his team. Obviously that isn't the only factor, but whatever. Who was the WCHA POTY? Again, there is just never any consistency with this stuff.

Since it's down to these three, if I had a vote, it's Butler.
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As has been noted, the Hobey is more than just a POTY for the entire country. It goes beyond stats, even if that's all people here are talking about.
 
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thecomicbookguy said:
As has been noted, the Hobey is more than just a POTY for the entire country. It goes beyond stats, even if that's all people here are talking about.
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And I noted that Geoffrion not even being his team's leading scoring forward is not the only thing it's based on. There's still a lack of consistency in my opinion, but it is what it is. Not knowing anything about these guys off the ice makes it hard for people not in the know to look at anything but stats.
 
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I think east coast bias falls true and Wisconsin gets shafted... Its hard to believe with all the great players to come from U of Wisconsin they have never had a Hobey Baker Winner in that program. NOw is the time it should happen but i have my doubts that it will. Kinda interesting its 3 forwards, B.Smith's numbers are above and beyond McBains from last year and it still doesn't get into the final 3????
 
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J.D. said:
Who was the WCHA POTY?
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As stated earlier Cheverie...of note, Geoffrion was not the leading point getter among forwards for All-WCHA teams. Rakhshani received the most points. Smith was the Defensive player of the year and received more points than Geoffrion, Rakhshani and Geoffrion for First Team All-WCHA.
 
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I think Geoffrian should win. Wisconsin has never had a Hobey winner, right? I'll go with him. Nyquist is good and Butler is ok, but I think the Badger kid wins.
 
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I put this in a UNH thread but copied it in here:

My understanding is the winner has already been picked. Unless it has changed they pick the winner out of the 10 and announce the top 3 as the hat trick.

However, if I was a voter breaking down these three...

I would first eliminate Nyquist. Fantastic player but not even the player of the year in his own league, and Butler was. If the coaches in hockey east picked Butler as the best player this year how can Nyquist be the best player overall?

That leaves me Butler vs. Geoffrion

Captain - tie
Goals - Butler (29 to 27)
Assists - Butler (24 to 21)
Penalties - Butler (20 min to 56 min)
Made it further in the tournament - Geoffrion
Better team - Butler (as Wisco is clearly more talented so Butler did more with more attention)
Better League - Geoffrion (although each got 1 team to the F4, I think WCHA was better competition this year, hold Geoffrion’s number down)
Grades - No Clue call it a tie (I know Butler has done well no idea on Geoffrion or what the majors are)
PK - Both are out there in tough times - tie
All Around Play - both all around forwards 2-way players - tie
Face-offs - Geoffrion (guy is silly good in the faceoff circle)
Off Ice - Butler (Hockey Humanitarian top 10 finalist)

So with that all I can think of, I would give it to Butler.

Also against Geoffrion was Smith in the top 10. Did Smith take votes away?

Finally I wouldn't hold not getting WCHA POTY against Geoffrion, it doesn't help him but with a goalie getting it, it doesn't hurt him either. IMO. I see it as a killer for Nyquist head to head with Butler.

Butler's off ice finalist for hockey humanitarian is what in my book puts him over the top as everything else is fairly even.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
As stated earlier Cheverie...of note, Geoffrion was not the leading point getter among forwards for All-WCHA teams. Rakhshani received the most points. Smith was the Defensive player of the year and received more points than Geoffrion, Rakhshani and Geoffrion for First Team All-WCHA.
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JB said:
I would first eliminate Nyquist. Fantastic player but not even the player of the year in his own league, and Butler was. If the coaches in hockey east picked Butler as the best player this year how can Nyquist be the best player overall?
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IMO, these both go back to lack of consistency in the awards, but many disagree. Whatever. I agree with you.
 
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