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Hobey hat trick

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The thing about Nyquist is that he is very rarely kept off the score sheet (unlike Butler....see Vermont quarters (zip,zip):)), and I've never seen him pulled (see Cheverie..;)). In fairness I'd love to have had Butler wearing the Maine jersey and certainly Cheverie...both good players.

I'm squarley in the best-player-throughout-the-year-wins camp regardless what year he is. Voters should, emphasis should, concentrate on the current year and not consider the possibility of any player coming back, because you never, ever know for sure. The real tradgedy would be for them to make such an assinine assumption only to find the best player that year decides or is coerced to leave during the summer.

And its not like HE is the EZAC...especially considering the success the league has had this decade in national tournaments...see BC, BU and ME's runnerups :(
 
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True Blue Fan said:
The best player deserves the award, if said player is a Soph, than so be it, he deserves to win the award period.

I have a hunch that some voters share the same narrow minded opinion that unh2001 has.
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Hold on a second . . . are we talking about what we think WILL happen, or SHOULD happen? I was going on what I think WILL happen, not what I think SHOULD. I will be surprised -- not upset, just mildly surprised -- if the voters put Nyquist in the top 3. Not flabbergasted, just mildly surprised. I agree with you, that the player should be awarded the award based on a single season's performance. But I believe there are some voters out there who will not vote for Nyquist because he's a sophomore - sorry if I wasn't clear. He's deserving, and I know I said that. I also said I'm glad I don't have to actually make this choice myself.

I fully admit I'm pushing for Bobby Butler because he's a UNH player, but I do not do so blindly. It seems every year, UNH is pushing one of their players for Hobey Baker, but most of the time I'm not behind them this strongly. I support Butler for Hobey because he fills all the criteria strongly. On-ice play, leadership, and off-ice contributions. He does not have as many points as Nyquist, but having seen both lines play, the other Maine forwards are better finishers. I've seen a bunch of good passes come from Bobby, that arguably should have been goals that weren't, so . . . no assist. I fully believe the voters will also look at goals scored, where Butler leads the country.

Again, I thought we were accurately trying to predict what we think will happen, not what we think should happen. And lastly, I don't know why you had to throw in the jab about being narrow-minded; comments like that detract from an otherwise excellent conversation.

I'm not narrow-minded, Maine really does suck ;) ;)
 
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Class shouldn't matter, Kariya was a freshman! Nyquist is no Paul Kariya but Butler is no Nyquist either. Butler may be playing but for only another game. He'll be swinging a golf club next weekend. :D I can already hear the cats choking on a hairball.
 
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I wonder whether the fact that Nyquist's impressive points total is assists-heavy (19 G, 42 A) might be a factor working against him in voters' minds. For instance, just last year Quinnipiac's Bryan Leitch led the NCAA in scoring (1.51 PPG) with an assists-heavy split (12 G, 47 A) by a pretty fair margin but wasn't even among the ten finalists; on the other hand, Colgate's David McIntyre, who had a significantly inferior overall scoring output (1.16 PPG) for a team with an inferior record but with a more even split (21 G, 22 A) was in the last ten.

In 2007, Michigan's TJ Hensick led the NCAA in scoring (1.68 PPG), but had a split pretty comparable to what Nyquist has (23 G, 46 A). The Hobey was won by UND's Ryan Duncan, who was pretty far behind in scoring (1.33 PPG) but had a goal-heavy split (31 G, 26 A).

On the other hand, in 2005 CC's Marty Sertich won the award with an assists-heavy split (27 G, 37 A) and a narrow edge in scoring (1.49 PPG) over his teammate Brett Sterling (1.47 PPG), who had a goal-heavy split (34 G, 29 A).

This isn't to say that Nyquist isn't deserving, of course, but I think he might be overlooked by voters because of his low goal output. Still, I think he'll wind up being one of the top three vote-getters, along with one of the goalies (Reichard if Miami gets out of their regional, I'd guess) and a player from whichever team makes it out of the East Regional, which has four of the ten finalists. Maybe Smith, who's pretty clearly the best offensive defenseman in the country. I don't think Olver, Geoffrion or Polacek are really in the running, though of course I could be wrong.
 
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unhpuckfan2001 said:
But if I had a vote, I wouldn't want to bestow such a high honor on a younger player
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This is what I was referring to when I stated some voters will share the same narrow minded opinion as unh2001. I don't know how you can tell me this is not a narrow minded opinion. You are stating if you had a vote you would not vote for a younger player, regardless if they were deserving or not.

My post does not detract from this conversation, you throwing out Maine sucks certainly does though.
 
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True Blue Fan said:
My post does not detract from this conversation, you throwing out Maine sucks certainly does though.
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All the rest of it aside, the Maine sucks thing is a joke - hence the :p and ;) . I try not to take myself too seriously on the boards.

And Maine doesn't suck -- despite a couple of down years -- or UNH fans would have nothing to say.

And please don't misunderstand -- your post does not detract. However, some people will only take away from the last sentence, where you use the phrase narrow minded, and not listen to the rest of it, which makes sense.
 
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J.D. said:
It's be easier if Hobey voting was limited to each league's POTY in my opinion.
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Now obviously I'm a homer on this one... but Gilroy deserved the Hobey last year over everybody else. He resembled what you wanted to put forth as an example of your team and college hockey in general.

Limiting Hobey voting to each league's Player of the Year would suggest that they're like the same award except one is on a national level... and they're not.

From the Hockey East website:

"This honor is awarded by the head coaches to one player among those nominated for consideration. A player receiving this recognition has demonstrated superior play and leadership for his team."

From the Hobey Baker website:

"1. Candidates must exhibit strength of character both on and off the ice.

2. Candidates must contribute to the integrity of the team and display outstanding skills in all phases of the game.
3. Consideration should be given to scholastic achievement and sportmanship.
4. Candidates must comply with all NCAA rules: be full time students in an accredited NCAA college or university; and complete 50% or more of the season."
 
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J.D. said:
It's be easier if Hobey voting was limited to each league's POTY in my opinion.
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It'd be easier, sure, but inappropriate. Each league's POTY should be weighted towards who's had the best season in conference play and away from who's performed best in nonconference games; Hobey voting shouldn't have the same bias.
 
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quiddlet said:
Now obviously I'm a homer on this one... but Gilroy deserved the Hobey last year over everybody else. He resembled what you wanted to put forth as an example of your team and college hockey in general.

Limiting Hobey voting to each league's Player of the Year would suggest that they're like the same award except one is on a national level... and they're not.

From the Hockey East website:

"This honor is awarded by the head coaches to one player among those nominated for consideration. A player receiving this recognition has demonstrated superior play and leadership for his team."

From the Hobey Baker website:

"1. Candidates must exhibit strength of character both on and off the ice.

2. Candidates must contribute to the integrity of the team and display outstanding skills in all phases of the game.
3. Consideration should be given to scholastic achievement and sportmanship.
4. Candidates must comply with all NCAA rules: be full time students in an accredited NCAA college or university; and complete 50% or more of the season."
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Exactly. The Hobey is about more than just stats.
 
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