Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

[Old Pio]

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More disappointed in her campaign than anything else. I'll reserve further commentary until, you know, we actually have a winner, but if there's one thing I'll never understand, its politicians who 'go dark' in the middle of the campaign. In a 24 hour news cycle that we now live in, I can't imagine any positives with a strategy like that.

Old Pio, that's a terribly slanted article. Basically it says don't believe kids who have been abused. Having lived in Mass all my life, and having heard of this case over that time, I've never seen the glaring injustice in this case. Furthermore, I'm not aware of a widespread change of heart out of the victims or their parents. If you want to side with convicted child molesters, be my guest, but I would suggest maybe finding some different people to champion. There's a reason why this story hasn't gotten more play. The Republicans themselves are afraid to push it - with good reason.

It's hard to "side with child molesters" when no molestation actually occurred. Your ignorance here seems to be comprehensive. Seriously, I'd recommend reading up on the cases I cited before you damage your minimal reputation even more. As I pointed out, Rabinowitz' reporting was "slanted" enough to earn her a Pulitzer. Pity that you don't think it's a "glaring injustice" for innocent people to be railroaded into prison by on the make politicians. I wonder what would qualify for a miscarriage of justice in Roverworld. Aside from you and Martha Coakley just about every thinking person in America agrees that in the 80's and 90's we were in a moral panic about "child molesters" and "satanic cults" in day care centers from coast to coast. Not a single word of it was true. Children can be (and were) manipulated into believing things that did not happen.

Of course the principals, kids and parents, for the most part are sticking to their stories. How could they not? Since the memories implanted in the minds of the "victims" as children are false, they still believe them as adults. Although one "victim" has been quoted as saying he made it all up, but that is beside the point. Calm reviews of the "evidence" by others show that these cases were without merit. That's why in the Amirault case and all the others, the "perpetrators" have been released from prison and their convictions reversed. I believe the "victim" in the Duke "rape" case is sticking by her story too, do you believe her?

Theo Bikel's wife did a couple of Frontline documentaries on the "rape" case at the Little Rascals Day Care in Edenton, North Carolina. Bikel interviewed a lady who worked at Little Rascals, who was not implicated in the abuse, but whose son was allegedlly a victim. She allowed as to how she just couldn't understand how all that stuff was going on,since she was there everyday. It never occurred to her it was because the "stuff" never occurred.

By standing up for Coakley on this issue and darkly suggesting that Republicans have something to hide on this matter and endeavoring to smear me as a "defender of child molesters" you have exposed yourself as a person of no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Pending the apology you owe me for your smear, I mokusatsu you.

 

[walrus]

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This is even more disturbing.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...1/06/some_saw_coakley_as_lax_on_05_rape_case/

That's pretty disturbing

 

[Handyman]

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Yes, but this is the same argument that liberals make when conservatives get caught committing adultery: if you're going to do it, at least don't preach against it.

I don't recall George Bush ever promising change or hope or openness...

I wasnt defending Obama, I was saying they all suck and are two faced...so what is your point?

 

[Handyman]

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How don't those cases apply as precedent?

Whether they do or they don't there is NO WAY the AGs are going to win a 10th Amendment argument about this. You can pretend they will if it makes you feel better but it isnt going to happen.

(note: I didnt say whether it should or should not happen just that it wont)

 

[Handyman]

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It's hard to "side with child molesters" when no molestation actually occurred. Your ignorance here seems to be comprehensive. Seriously, I'd recommend reading up on the cases I cited before you damage your minimal reputation even more. As I pointed out, Rabinowitz' reporting was "slanted" enough to earn her a Pulitzer. Pity that you don't think it's a "glaring injustice" for innocent people to be railroaded into prison by on the make politicians. I wonder what would qualify for a miscarriage of justice in Roverworld. Aside from you and Martha Coakley just about every thinking person in America agrees that in the 80's and 90's we were in a moral panic about "child molesters" and "satanic cults" in day care centers from coast to coast. Not a single word of it was true. Children can be (and were) manipulated into believing things that did not happen.

Of course the principals, kids and parents, for the most part are sticking to their stories. How could they not? Since the memories implanted in the minds of the "victims" as children are false, they still believe them as adults. Although one "victim" has been quoted as saying he made it all up, but that is beside the point. Calm reviews of the "evidence" by others show that these cases were without merit. That's why in the Amirault case and all the others, the "perpetrators" have been released from prison and their convictions reversed. I believe the "victim" in the Duke "rape" case is sticking by her story too, do you believe her?

Theo Bikel's wife did a couple of Frontline documentaries on the "rape" case at the Little Rascals Day Care in Edenton, North Carolina. Bikel interviewed a lady who worked at Little Rascals, who was not implicated in the abuse, but whose son was allegedlly a victim. She allowed as to how she just couldn't understand how all that stuff was going on,since she was there everyday. It never occurred to her it was because the "stuff" never occurred.

By standing up for Coakley on this issue and darkly suggesting that Republicans have something to hide on this matter and endeavoring to smear me as a "defender of child molesters" you have exposed yourself as a person of no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Pending the apology you owe me for your smear, I mokusatsu you.

The McMartin Trial and the others of its ilk were a ridiculous miscarriage of justice and there is no argument that denies that. Honest people were railroaded, overcharged and held without bail for months, sometimes YEARS at a time based on the coerced testimony of kids who didn't know any better. The fact that the testimonies changed over time only proved the fact that the "doctors" involved were forcefeeding these kids a line of bull and were basically bullying them into saying they were molested. Disgusting does not begin to describe what happened to all of those people.

Thinking that doesn't mean you are siding with molesters although leave it to over to come up with that idiotic idea.

 

[Old Pio]

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The McMartin Trial and the others of its ilk were a ridiculous miscarriage of justice and there is no argument that denies that. Honest people were railroaded, overcharged and held without bail for months, sometimes YEARS at a time based on the coerced testimony of kids who didn't know any better. The fact that the testimonies changed over time only proved the fact that the "doctors" involved were forcefeeding these kids a line of bull and were basically bullying them into saying they were molested. Disgusting does not begin to describe what happened to all of those people.

Thinking that doesn't mean you are siding with molesters although leave it to over to come up with that idiotic idea.

Thanks. One of the ABC news shows (20/20 or Primetime) did a segment on this business of kids and false memories. With his parents watching in another room, a little boy was questioned about the time his older brother broke his arm. Of course, no such incident occurred. Over time, the little boy not only came to believe his older brother had broken his arm, but provided details not suggested by the researchers: "my mom was crying," "we went to the hosital," "we called grandma to take care of my little sister," etc. etc. Needless to say, his parents were stupified.

In all of these horrific miscarriages of justice, there were local "therapists" who took the lead in rooting out the "abuse." When parents call little kids into the living room, have "that look" on their faces, and tell the kids they aren't in any trouble, kids know they ARE in trouble. In the Edenton, North Carolina case it was interesting to note that all of the alleged victims still living in town were "examined" by a couple of local "therapists." Other alleged victims whose families had moved away were interviewed by out of town therapists who unanaimously agreed no abuse had occurred. Conclusion: somebody was really enjoying the spotlight and had an obvious agenda.

When questioned repeatedly by adults (parents or "therapists") about alleged abuse kids quickly learn that "no" is not the approved answer. They learn they get stroked and praised for "yes," so yes it is. Especially when the earnest inquisitors inform the kids that their peers have already copped to the "abuse."

Invariably the kids begin to provide totally unbelievable "details" about their "abuse." In McMartin it was underground rape rooms and rides in jet planes and abuse in churches and on and on. Prosecutors are always careful to leave these fantastic allegations out of charging documents. In the Massachusetts case, Gerald Amirault allegedly "anally raped" a boy with a butcher knife but magically drew no blood and left no scars. His sister allegedly tied a boy to a tree out in front of the daycare (with witnesses) and anally raped him with a "magic wand." And they sold this lemon to a jury, and Martha Coakley evidently believes it's true, too. And so, apparantly, does Rover. They're the last of the Mohicans.

Collectively, these cases are on a par with the Salem witch trials, since they involve moral panic. And it's just kind of sad that Rover, in his apparantly limitless partisanship, is willing to dismiss nearly 20 years of research that these cases were miscarriages of justice and to smear anyone (me) who points out Martha Coakley's questionable behavior and judgement.

 

[Rover]

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It's hard to "side with child molesters" when no molestation actually occurred. Your ignorance here seems to be comprehensive. Seriously, I'd recommend reading up on the cases I cited before you damage your minimal reputation even more. As I pointed out, Rabinowitz' reporting was "slanted" enough to earn her a Pulitzer. Pity that you don't think it's a "glaring injustice" for innocent people to be railroaded into prison by on the make politicians. I wonder what would qualify for a miscarriage of justice in Roverworld. Aside from you and Martha Coakley just about every thinking person in America agrees that in the 80's and 90's we were in a moral panic about "child molesters" and "satanic cults" in day care centers from coast to coast. Not a single word of it was true. Children can be (and were) manipulated into believing things that did not happen.

Of course the principals, kids and parents, for the most part are sticking to their stories. How could they not? Since the memories implanted in the minds of the "victims" as children are false, they still believe them as adults. Although one "victim" has been quoted as saying he made it all up, but that is beside the point. Calm reviews of the "evidence" by others show that these cases were without merit. That's why in the Amirault case and all the others, the "perpetrators" have been released from prison and their convictions reversed. I believe the "victim" in the Duke "rape" case is sticking by her story too, do you believe her?

Theo Bikel's wife did a couple of Frontline documentaries on the "rape" case at the Little Rascals Day Care in Edenton, North Carolina. Bikel interviewed a lady who worked at Little Rascals, who was not implicated in the abuse, but whose son was allegedlly a victim. She allowed as to how she just couldn't understand how all that stuff was going on,since she was there everyday. It never occurred to her it was because the "stuff" never occurred.

By standing up for Coakley on this issue and darkly suggesting that Republicans have something to hide on this matter and endeavoring to smear me as a "defender of child molesters" you have exposed yourself as a person of no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Pending the apology you owe me for your smear, I mokusatsu you.

Bunch of irrelevant stories not related to Fells Acres. Who cares if somebody won a Pulitzer for a theory. That's evidence in a criminal case??? Satanic cult fears in the 80's? Good Lord, how about some more tangents while we're here.

I've also seen coverage of this, when it was happening and not revisionist history three decades later. People ought to be seriously concerned about child molesters, and ought to consider victims testimony instead of just dismissing it out of hand. Especially when this comes up in the context of a political campaign. Not to mention, the decision to deny parole to this guy was bipartisan. Is everybody on the take? Or could it be the reason why Republicans haven't seized on this is that they aren't as convinced of the guy's innocence as you seem to be.

So, to sum up, there's plenty of reasons for people not to vote for Martha Coakley. The alleged innocence of Tookie Amerault isn't one of them. I tend to believe the victims unless there's some serious evidence to clear them (the Duke example you cited). That would be the exception to the rule however, as children wouldn't generally go around making these accusations, and then continue to stick to their story months or years later at a trial. Are all those pedophile priests she convicted railroaded too?

EDIT: Here's the comments of the victims, not some guy in Arizona trying to make political hay of a race on the other side of the country:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010807...o.com/h/ap/20010802/us/preschool_abuse_3.html

 

[Old Pio]

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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31413.html

http://reason.com/archives/2010/01/15/the-incredible-incompetence-of

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/something_about_martha.html

http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/01/martha-coakleys-chappaquiddick / http://mysite.verizon.net/vzex11z4/amirault.html

http://www.cyberussr.com/hcunn/witch/mp-fells.html

 

[Rover]

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Definitely not an axe to grind in those articles...
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How could such a thing happen in Massachusetts, a state so progressive that the Cambridge Bolshevik can purchase the complete works of Josef Stalin and receive training at the Center for Marxist Education within a few short blocks; a state so lefty that, in the 1980s, my hometown of Concord, Massachusetts, became a "sister city" of Sandinista-ruled San Marcos, Nicaragua?

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Bolshevik....Stalin....Sandinista....geesh they could of at least worked Muslims in there somehow.

However, as you seem to be ducking the point, I'll ask you directly:

How is it that you know more about what happened than the victims who's comments I linked in my last post?

 

[Old Pio]

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http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0110/Coakley_and_Schilling.html?showall

Martha's unspooling. Here she dismisses Curt Schilling as "another Yankee fan." Her people say she was kidding.
Listen and decide for yourself. I don't think she has any idea who Curt Schilling is. One poster to Lucianne.com
called her a typical Democrat babe: "wirey, no makeup, mannish haircut and stupid."

 

[LynahFan]

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Totally irrelevant to the election, but there's no way that was a joke. If it were a joke, it would have gone:

"But, now Scott Brown has Curt Schilling,"
"Another Yankee fan."
"Schilling?"
"Yes."
"Curt Schilling, a Yankee Fan?"
"Oh yeah, the biggest. I think he and Joe Torre have a love child together!"

Instead of:

"But, now Scott Brown has Curt Schilling,"
"Another Yankee fan."
"Schilling?"
"Yes."
"Curt Schilling, a Yankee Fan?"
"No - alright, I'm wrong, I'm wrong"
"The Red Sox great pitcher of the bloody sock, a Yankee fan?"
"Well he's not there any more"

In an election where every vote could actually matter, you should NOT do that. No wonder she avoided the press for so much of her campaign...

 

[leswp1]

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Have to agree with Rover on the Molestation cases. I live in the state and was following that when it was happening and when it came up for review. There was a lot of disagreement in the medical/psychiatric community about exactly what stance to take on the evidence presented. To dismiss it all as a witch hunt is very simplistic. Very easy to be dismissive from far away, in a different time with a different knowledge base (as far as evidence gathering, psych knowledge). People writing stuff may be sure of what happened or didn't but I don't think anyone else is. If the evidence was to believed it was a horrific thing. At one point I read some exerpts of what was alleged. Pretty disturbing. Many find it difficult to believe that all of it was totally made up.

Not necessarily a fan of Coakley (wanted any other choice but her) but the other guy has a whole lot not going for him too. No good choice here.

As to attack ads- they are both at it. Still haven't seen a thing from either that actually talks about what they stand for that is not stated in the context of what the other person won't do or will do to destroy us.

 

[leswp1]

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P.S. TV news this AM (and actually on topic) announced they may be close to a compromise as far as passing the bill. I shudder to think what it might be. Of course they gave no details. Why would we want them?

 

[Rover]

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Have to agree with Rover on the Molestation cases. I live in the state and was following that when it was happening and when it came up for review. There was a lot of disagreement in the medical/psychiatric community about exactly what stance to take on the evidence presented. To dismiss it all as a witch hunt is very simplistic. Very easy to be dismissive from far away, in a different time with a different knowledge base (as far as evidence gathering, psych knowledge). People writing stuff may be sure of what happened or didn't but I don't think anyone else is. If the evidence was to believed it was a horrific thing. At one point I read some exerpts of what was alleged. Pretty disturbing. Many find it difficult to believe that all of it was totally made up.

Not necessarily a fan of Coakley (wanted any other choice but her) but the other guy has a whole lot not going for him too. No good choice here.

As to attack ads- they are both at it. Still haven't seen a thing from either that actually talks about what they stand for that is not stated in the context of what the other person won't do or will do to destroy us.

Well said. I'm still waiting for the answer of how he knows more about what happened than the actual victims, but I don't expect I'll be hearing back on that one.

 

[Old Pio]

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Have to agree with Rover on the Molestation cases. I live in the state and was following that when it was happening and when it came up for review. There was a lot of disagreement in the medical/psychiatric community about exactly what stance to take on the evidence presented. To dismiss it all as a witch hunt is very simplistic. Very easy to be dismissive from far away, in a different time with a different knowledge base (as far as evidence gathering, psych knowledge). People writing stuff may be sure of what happened or didn't but I don't think anyone else is. If the evidence was to believed it was a horrific thing. At one point I read some exerpts of what was alleged. Pretty disturbing. Many find it difficult to believe that all of it was totally made up.

Not necessarily a fan of Coakley (wanted any other choice but her) but the other guy has a whole lot not going for him too. No good choice here.

As to attack ads- they are both at it. Still haven't seen a thing from either that actually talks about what they stand for that is not stated in the context of what the other person won't do or will do to destroy us.

Interesting perspective, my opinion isn't as valuable as yours or the person whose name shall not pass my lips because I don't live in Massachusetts. You talk like some redneck in Mississippi: "Y'all don't know how we do things down here." Malarkey.

The Amilrault case and the others are a national disgrace, about which countless articles, chapters in text books and seminars have been created. The techniques used in "investigating" the Fells Acres case have been thoroughly discredited.

1. Having the police send out a letter to the families of potential "victims" made certain that some children would, in fact, become "victims," whether they'd been molested or not.

2. Having "therapists" aggressively, relentlessly, remorselessly question these kids until they gave up the information the "therapist" was looking for. Sort of "round up the usual suspects."

We have learned, subsequent to these horrific miscarriages of justice, that questioning these kids has to be done very delicately, because of the very real potential of planting false memories. That's what happened here and explains why, to this day, some of the "victims" are sticking to their stories. They are FALSE memories. The Fells Acres kids and the kids in all the other cases were brainwashed into believing things that never happened. And we have subsequently learned just how easily false memories are planted.

As I've mentioned previously, "victims" in these cases invariably provide fantastic details that extend well beyond mere sexual molestation. Do you think Gerald Amirault actually dressed up as a clown to abuse kids? Do you believe he used a butcher's knife to rape a child that magically drew no blood nor left any marks? Do you believe his sister tied victims up to trees in broad daylight and then molested them in front of witnesses? Really?

Or are you just clinging to the totally discredited notion that "kids don't lie about these things.?" Or the other simple minded notion that "where there's smoke there's fire" If you ask a 5 year old what Santa brought him for Christmas, he'll happily tell you. Is he lying? Certainly not, he's just reflecting the reality of what he's been told.

The basic premise of these day case abuse cases doesn't pass the laugh test. You have a business at which, on multiple occasions, over a long period of time, multiple employees abuse multiple children. And nobody notices? No parent ever walks in unexpectedly to pick up a kid and discovers what's going on. No potential customer ever walks in for a tour and interrupts the abuse (which in this case was done outside, in front of the facility). No delivery person or tradesman ever walks in during the abuse. And isn't it convenient that everyone who works at the daycare is a child abuser?

In the last 10 or 15 years police, therapists, DA's and others involved in the system have come to realize that the techniques used in these cases were so badly flawed, so unfair, so biased, that the results of the investigations were useless. In Fells Acres, as in all of the other cases, there was no forensic or documentary evidence to support the charges, merely the accusations of children who had been abused by "investigators" into regurgitating the stories those investigators had planted.

Reread what you posted: (I'm paraphrasing) what was alleged here was so horrible, some of it had to be true. Why? The effort here should be to catch actual child abusers and not innocent people whose only crime is to work at a daycare. At Fells Acres and the other high profile cases, there is a broad consensus that huge injustices were done to innocent people. You and the person whose name shall not pass my lips are of course entitled to your opinion. But you should understand that you are in a distinct minority, clinging to notions that have been discredited and rejected. Sort of like that scene in "The Downfall," the one we've all seen parodied on Youtube, where Hitler is finally informed that General Steiner isn't coming to relieve Berlin, that the jig is up. And he's the last person on the planet to get that message.

 

[leswp1]

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Wthout quoting the diatribe I will paraphrase what I was trying to say and you didn't get.

For people who lived here what we heard sounded awful and believable when it was happening. No matter what you read it would be very difficult to get the flavor of the atmosphere of the time as you are chosing what you are reading, not getting bombarded with it all at once. Looking back everyone can be more wise.

""We have learned, subsequent to these horrific miscarriages of justice, that questioning these kids has to be done very delicately, because of the very real potential of planting false memories. That's what happened here and explains why, to this day, some of the "victims" are sticking to their stories. They are FALSE memories. The Fells Acres kids and the kids in all the other cases were brainwashed into believing things that never happened. And we have subsequently learned just how easily false memories are planted.""

At the time it was occuring, the current knowledge base in psychiatry at least partially agreed with the techniques used to interview. D/T the cases over time they have changed protocols. Using today's knowledge to evaluate that case is not a fair way to pass judgement on people who were doing what they did, using a knowledge base that was current at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20

It is natural for people to look for the smoking gun when there is that much smoke. If I gave the impression that I believed it all then I apologise. I do not think anyone will ever know what happened as things are so tainted at this time it would be impossible to figure out. The point was that for the avg person it was understandable for them to wonder at the time.

I was trying to point out that for people in the middle of the maelstrom the judgements made seemed reasonable at the time. There were many who fully supported Coakley in her decisions regarding this. If I recall she had overwhelming public support for her stance. Whether it was the correct decision looking back is not the point. What she did was not out of step with what the community wished if I recall.

I find it silly to pass judgement on Coakley for something that happened that long ago and hash out whether she should have been clairvoyant about what we have since discovered about how to conduct investigation.

 

[Old Pio]

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Wthout quoting the diatribe I will paraphrase what I was trying to say and you didn't get.

For people who lived here what we heard sounded awful and believable when it was happening. No matter what you read it would be very difficult to get the flavor of the atmosphere of the time as you are chosing what you are reading, not getting bombarded with it all at once. Looking back everyone can be more wise.

""We have learned, subsequent to these horrific miscarriages of justice, that questioning these kids has to be done very delicately, because of the very real potential of planting false memories. That's what happened here and explains why, to this day, some of the "victims" are sticking to their stories. They are FALSE memories. The Fells Acres kids and the kids in all the other cases were brainwashed into believing things that never happened. And we have subsequently learned just how easily false memories are planted.""

At the time it was occuring, the current knowledge base in psychiatry at least partially agreed with the techniques used to interview. D/T the cases over time they have changed protocols. Using today's knowledge to evaluate that case is not a fair way to pass judgement on people who were doing what they did, using a knowledge base that was current at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20

It is natural for people to look for the smoking gun when there is that much smoke. If I gave the impression that I believed it all then I apologise. I do not think anyone will ever know what happened as things are so tainted at this time it would be impossible to figure out. The point was that for the avg person it was understandable for them to wonder at the time.

I was trying to point out that for people in the middle of the maelstrom the judgements made seemed reasonable at the time. There were many who fully supported Coakley in her decisions regarding this. If I recall she had overwhelming public support for her stance. Whether it was the correct decision looking back is not the point. What she did was not out of step with what the community wished if I recall.

I find it silly to pass judgement on Coakley for something that happened that long ago and hash out whether she should have been clairvoyant about what we have since discovered about how to conduct investigation.

So honest mistakes were made in pursuit of justice? That's doubtless true. But it doesn't explain the suspension of critical thinking or Martha's insistence, years after the case had collapsed, that Gerald Amirault needed to stay in prison. She was a politician on the make. "What difference does it make if an innocent guy rots in prison a little while longer?" I suspect you can provide as good an answer to that one as I can. She behaved badly and is not being victimized by hindsight. You evidently think that's insufficient reason to deny her a seat in the senate. That's your privilege. After all, you live in Miss. . .excuse me, Massachusetts.

 

[leswp1]

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So honest mistakes were made in pursuit of justice? That's doubtless true. But it doesn't explain Martha's insistence, years after the case had collapsed, that Gerald Amirault needed to stay in prison. She was a politician on the make. "What difference does it make if an innocent guy rots in prison a little while longer?" I suspect you can provide as good an answer to that one as I can.

The answer was that very many people thought the same as she did. Not just polititians. There was a firestorm of support to keep this guy in jail. Isn't her job to act for the consituency? You seem to feel like you absolutely know what happened and be absolutely sure of exactly what the facts are. You are a better person than I. I am pretty sure the only one who really knows the correct answer is God.

 

[Old Pio]

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The answer was that very many people thought the same as she did. Not just polititians. There was a firestorm of support to keep this guy in jail. Isn't her job to act for the consituency? You seem to feel like you absolutely know what happened and be absolutely sure of exactly what the facts are. You are a better person than I. I am pretty sure the only one who really knows the correct answer is God.

Ah, the Diety defense. Look, you can insist that she be given the benefit of the doubt on this one, but she was the LEADER of the effort to keep Amirault behind bars. And by the time she came on the scene (long after the original trials and sentencing) the case had collapsed and more than one judge had pronounced the trials fatally flawed. While I may not know what happened (begging the question that anything happened) I know that the charges were not proven. And I further know that as an elected official, a DA no less, she has more of an obligation than to "act for her constituency." She has an obligation to seek justice, which in this case she surely did not. Caving in to or inflaming the lynch mob is not my idea of a "profile in courage."

 

[leswp1]

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Ah, the Diety defense. Look, you can insist that she be given the benefit of the doubt on this one, but she was the LEADER of the effort to keep Amirault behind bars. And by the time she came on the scene (long after the original trials and sentencing) the case had collapsed and more than one judge had pronounced the trials fatally flawed. While I may not know what happened (begging the question that anything happened) I know that the charges were not proven. And I further know that as an elected official, a DA no less, she has more of an obligation than to "act for her constituency." She has an obligation to seek justice, which in this case she surely did not. Caving in to or inflaming the lynch mob is not my idea of a "profile in courage."

Not having read all the transcripts, all the documents or seen all the evidence I will bow to your superior knowledge on the subject.