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Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

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Something to do with back-scratching, I think...

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walrus said:
When Bush was in office being bought and paid for was a huge deal. Now, not so much
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The problem was all of Bush's payoffs to his friends weren't deficit neutral according to CBO analysis.
 
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Rover said:
The problem was all of Bush's payoffs to his friends weren't deficit neutral according to CBO analysis.
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So the CBO's been able to modify their analysis already to include the 7-year deferment of the tax on Union health plans? :confused:
 
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LynahFan said:
So the CBO's been able to modify their analysis already to include the 7-year deferment of the tax on Union health plans? :confused:
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I believe its going off to the CBO this weekend, so then we can debate the whole shebang once that comes back (mercifully soon, I hope).
 
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MinnFan said:
Another likely constitutional challenge to the Senate version

This one has some very direct precedent. Ironically, gov't run health care couldn't be challenged on these grounds.
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Wow...Fox News wrong about something...pardon me while I feign shock ;)

If you think that those grounds are going to lead to any issue for Obamacare I have an arena in St. Paul to sell you. No way they win a 10th Amendment argument here.

I do love how kickbacks and backscratching are now demonized by the Right despite the entire W regime being one long row of monkeys scratching their backs for 8 years. You know you don't pious just because you put your other face on.

And before walrus can come in with one of his worthless one liners asking me if the Left is any better...no they aren't. Despite what some will say they are just as dirty and idiotic as the Right.
 
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Handyman said:
If you think that those grounds are going to lead to any issue for Obamacare I have an arena in St. Paul to sell you. No way they win a 10th Amendment argument here.
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How don't those cases apply as precedent?
 
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Rover said:
The problem was all of Bush's payoffs to his friends weren't deficit neutral according to CBO analysis.
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Got your spot on the Zakim bridge picked out for Weds. Morning?
 
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Handyman said:
And before walrus can come in with one of his worthless one liners asking me if the Left is any better...no they aren't. Despite what some will say they are just as dirty and idiotic as the Right.
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Yes, but this is the same argument that liberals make when conservatives get caught committing adultery: if you're going to do it, at least don't preach against it.

I don't recall George Bush ever promising change or hope or openness...
 
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walrus said:
Got your spot on the Zakim bridge picked out for Weds. Morning?
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How sad is it though that the Messiah in Chief has to travel to Massachusetts 2 days before an election to try to save a floundering Democrat candidate.

(Not to mention the fact that the Democrat party has had to spend millions in negative tv ads)

:eek:
 
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704281204575003341640657862.html

Everyone is familiar with the arguments on either side of the Massachusetts senate race. However, here's one not quite as well known. It's Martha Coakley's involvment in one of the day care "rape" cases that so besmirched the American legal system in the 80's and 90's. Toward the end, when the last defendant was about to be released, she fought like a tiger and kept this innocent man imprisoned for another couple of years.

As the Wall Street Journal's Dorothy Rabinowitz points out, Coakley's involvement came long after just about everyone but Coakley in the state's legal system had come to understand that a horrible miscarriage of justice had been done. Not only were these people innocent. There was no crime committed in the first place. The Massachusetts case, along with McMartin, Wenatchee, Washington, Little Rascals in North Carolina and others were all remarkably similar. "Believe the children" and "children don't lie" were the platitudes endlessly uttered by the latter day Savonarolas as they ruined lives from coast to coast. We have since learned about false memories, that children can be manipulated to believe utterly in events that never occurred.

Martha Coackley didn't bring or participate in this prosecution. She did, however, help to extend an innocent man's suffering. IMO she was either on the make politically and willing to keep an innocent man in prison to advance her career or she was so inept as to actually think this prosecution had arrived at just verdicts. Either way, I believe she's disqualified for the United States senate.

Rabinowitz got a Pulitzer for her reporting on this case.
 
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Rover said:
Might not want to count your chickens before they hatch....:cool:
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Nervous about it though, aren't ya?:p

Coakley will fit right in with the rest of the them in DC
 
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More disappointed in her campaign than anything else. I'll reserve further commentary until, you know, we actually have a winner, but if there's one thing I'll never understand, its politicians who 'go dark' in the middle of the campaign. In a 24 hour news cycle that we now live in, I can't imagine any positives with a strategy like that.

Old Pio, that's a terribly slanted article. Basically it says don't believe kids who have been abused. Having lived in Mass all my life, and having heard of this case over that time, I've never seen the glaring injustice in this case. Furthermore, I'm not aware of a widespread change of heart out of the victims or their parents. If you want to side with convicted child molesters, be my guest, but I would suggest maybe finding some different people to champion. There's a reason why this story hasn't gotten more play. The Republicans themselves are afraid to push it - with good reason.
 
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Old Pio said:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704281204575003341640657862.html

Everyone is familiar with the arguments on either side of the Massachusetts senate race. However, here's one not quite as well known. It's Martha Coakley's involvment in one of the day care "rape" cases that so besmirched the American legal system in the 80's and 90's. Toward the end, when the last defendant was about to be released, she fought like a tiger and kept this innocent man imprisoned for another couple of years.

As the Wall Street Journal's Dorothy Rabinowitz points out, Coakley's involvement came long after just about everyone but Coakley in the state's legal system had come to understand that a horrible miscarriage of justice had been done. Not only were these people innocent. There was no crime committed in the first place. The Massachusetts case, along with McMartin, Wenatchee, Washington, Little Rascals in North Carolina and others were all remarkably similar. "Believe the children" and "children don't lie" were the platitudes endlessly uttered by the latter day Savonarolas as they ruined lives from coast to coast. We have since learned about false memories, that children can be manipulated to believe utterly in events that never occurred.

Martha Coackley didn't bring or participate in this prosecution. She did, however, help to extend an innocent man's suffering. IMO she was either on the make politically and willing to keep an innocent man in prison to advance her career or she was so inept as to actually think this prosecution had arrived at just verdicts. Either way, I believe she's disqualified for the United States senate.

Rabinowitz got a Pulitzer for her reporting on this case.
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This is even more disturbing.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...1/06/some_saw_coakley_as_lax_on_05_rape_case/
 
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