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Grand Unified Election Thread 2: What is the difference between Biden and Dump?

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Jimjamesak said:
Interesting that the Ranked Choice Voting measure was defeated in Massachusetts but seems to be passing in Alaska. Any reasoning why it failed in Massachusetts?
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Disappointing result. But, reaffirms the theory that highly partisan (and informed) voters are more easily mislead and manipulated than less-educated ones. I’ll give Mass voters the benefit of the doubt that they’re incredibly smart and informed, but if like Kep says, Mass is strongly party-run by Democrats, maybe they successfully manipulated their voters into voting no on the ballot initiative, despite instant-runoff aka ranked choice voting being fairer and better for democracy? I saw Swansong voted yes, but Swansong is a self-professed independent voter.
 
psych said:
Disappointing result. But, reaffirms the theory that highly partisan (and informed) voters are more easily mislead and manipulated than less-educated ones. I’ll give Mass voters the benefit of the doubt that they’re incredibly smart and informed, but if like Kep says, Mass is strongly party-run by Democrats, maybe they successfully manipulated their voters into voting no on the ballot initiative, despite instant-runoff aka ranked choice voting being fairer and better for democracy? I saw Swansong voted yes, but Swansong is a self-professed independent voter.
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The dust needs to settle on more important parts of the election, but I think a few things were at play here on Ranked Choice:
  1. The PR for the measure was virtually non-existent. I don't recall seeing or hearing any ads for or against it. This is complicated and requires thought and discussion, and there was none of either. Honestly, if I was someone who voted every election but didn't read a whole lot about these measures I'd have voted no too - I'm not going to wildly change how we vote without some research and thought.
  2. Despite being progressive and educated, MA voters (and residents as a whole) do not like change. We're resistant to everything and insist that our way is naturally the best. We were last in the Real ID and among the last in the highway exit numbering changes. New is scary and bad.
  3. Look at our history of ballot initiatives - the ones we vote "Yes" on are repealing nonsense (the automatic gas tax hikes or reverting certain tax rates to previously agreed-upon levels), or reaffirming something we've already voted for (this time, it was the Right to Repair, which we'd affirmed several years ago and then auto makers decided they didn't like it).
I will be interested to see where this specific initiative goes from here.
 
Swansong said:
The dust needs to settle on more important parts of the election, but I think a few things were at play here on Ranked Choice:
  1. The PR for the measure was virtually non-existent. I don't recall seeing or hearing any ads for or against it. This is complicated and requires thought and discussion, and there was none of either. Honestly, if I was someone who voted every election but didn't read a whole lot about these measures I'd have voted no too - I'm not going to wildly change how we vote without some research and thought.
  2. Despite being progressive and educated, MA voters (and residents as a whole) do not like change. We're resistant to everything and insist that our way is naturally the best. We were last in the Real ID and among the last in the highway exit numbering changes. New is scary and bad.
  3. Look at our history of ballot initiatives - the ones we vote "Yes" on are repealing nonsense (the automatic gas tax hikes or reverting certain tax rates to previously agreed-upon levels), or reaffirming something we've already voted for (this time, it was the Right to Repair, which we'd affirmed several years ago and then auto makers decided they didn't like it).
I will be interested to see where this specific initiative goes from here.
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Interesting that there wasn’t more push for or against the measure in the form of ads. Thanks for the insight.
 
DeWine says Trump can challenge results, but should begin the process of transitioning power to Biden. Later says Ohioans should "slow down" their lives to avoid another lockdown.

Trump erupts on Twitter an hour later, suggests someone should primary DeWine in 2022.
 
psych said:
Interesting that there wasn’t more push for or against the measure in the form of ads. Thanks for the insight.
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That is a bit strange. The Yes people for our ballot measure had a well funded campaign with ads everywhere.
 
Jimjamesak said:
That is a bit strange. The Yes people for our ballot measure had a well funded campaign with ads everywhere.
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I'm hardly ever in the car anymore, but if they were advertising here - I didn't see any of it, which surprised me. Lots of ads on the Right to Repair. None for something far more fundamentally changing.
 
Swansong said:
The dust needs to settle on more important parts of the election, but I think a few things were at play here on Ranked Choice:
  1. The PR for the measure was virtually non-existent. I don't recall seeing or hearing any ads for or against it. This is complicated and requires thought and discussion, and there was none of either. Honestly, if I was someone who voted every election but didn't read a whole lot about these measures I'd have voted no too - I'm not going to wildly change how we vote without some research and thought.
  2. Despite being progressive and educated, MA voters (and residents as a whole) do not like change. We're resistant to everything and insist that our way is naturally the best. We were last in the Real ID and among the last in the highway exit numbering changes. New is scary and bad.
  3. Look at our history of ballot initiatives - the ones we vote "Yes" on are repealing nonsense (the automatic gas tax hikes or reverting certain tax rates to previously agreed-upon levels), or reaffirming something we've already voted for (this time, it was the Right to Repair, which we'd affirmed several years ago and then auto makers decided they didn't like it).
I will be interested to see where this specific initiative goes from here.
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I saw a ton of ads for RCV on CNN and I don’t even live in Mass. I read a lot of people didn’t really understand it and a lot of people were uncomfortable with out of state money pushing it.

Maybe I’m wrong but to me RCV makes more sense in an independent state like Maine than a heavily partisan state like Mass. Not really sure what it would change in Mass.
 
The Dems are all over Twitter today talking about cancelling student loan debt. I am sure that is giving Rover the Red Azz :^)
 
Handyman said:
https://twitter.com/benpershing/status/1328438753921282050

That backtrack didn't take long...
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what a snowflake. This is more proof to me that it isn't just trump elected republicans are afraid of. They know the entirety of the republican voting base are full on MAGAts. There is no reason for Lankford to be afraid of trump. None. Yet he did backtrack, like most of us suspected would happen. He knows if he pisses trump off, the entire cult is up for grabs and he will face a challenger in a primary. Plus the RNC is full of nothing but trump ball gaggers. Not that a republican in Oklahoma should need much help to win. 95% of republicans are a lost cause. The other 5% are not numerous enough to make a difference in 3/4 of the "red" states, like Oklahoma.
 
Ummm...This Doesn't Seem Legal

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said Monday that he has come under increasing pressure in recent days from fellow Republicans, including Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), to question the validity of legally cast absentee ballots in an effort to reverse President Trump’s narrow loss in the state.

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In a wide-ranging interview about the election, Raffensperger expressed exasperation over a string of baseless allegations coming from Trump and his allies about the integrity of the Georgia results, including claims that Dominion Voting Systems, the Colorado-based manufacturer of Georgia’s voting machines, is a “leftist” company with ties to Venezuela that engineered thousands of Trump votes not to be counted.
The atmosphere has grown so contentious, Raffensperger said, that both he and his wife, Tricia, have received death threats in recent days, including a text to him that read: “You better not botch this recount. Your life depends on it.”

“Other than getting you angry, it’s also very disillusioning,” Raffensperger said of the threats, “particularly when it comes from people on my side of the aisle. Everyone that is working on this needs to elevate their speech. We need to be thoughtful and careful about what we say.” He said he reported the threats to state authorities.
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The normally mild-mannered Raffensperger saved his harshest language for Rep. Douglas A. Collins (R-Ga.), who is leading the president’s effort to prove fraud in Georgia and whom Raffensperger called a “liar” and a “charlatan.”
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In the interview, Raffensperger also said he spoke on Friday to Graham, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who has echoed Trump’s unfounded claims about voting irregularities.

In their conversation, Graham questioned Raffensperger about the state’s signature-matching law and whether political bias could have prompted poll workers to accept ballots with nonmatching signatures, according to Raffensperger. Graham also asked whether Raffensperger had the power to toss all mail ballots in counties found to have higher rates of nonmatching signatures, Raffensperger said.

Raffensperger said he was stunned that Graham appeared to suggest that he find a way to toss legally cast ballots. Absent court intervention, Raffensperger doesn’t have the power to do what Graham suggested, as counties administer elections in Georgia.

“It sure looked like he was wanting to go down that road,” Raffensperger said.
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Conservative Twitter is all a flutter because Floyd County, GA found 2600 ballots which netted Trump 800 in their audit. The ballots were not uploaded originally.

Of course the county has been Red for President since 1984 and it is controlled by the GOP from what I can tell so not sure that is the "Gotcha" they hoped for.
 
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