Gophers at Bulldogs Oct 14 & 15 - No more well wishes

[The Rube]

Re: Gophers at Bulldogs Oct 14 & 15 - No more well wishes

The refs Were AWFUL last night. However, they were awful both ways.

Except for the Budish penalty, I will say they were consistently awful. Don't we ask for consistency all the time?

Honestly, it went from letting little stuff go to calling everything to I don't know what the hell you're thinking calling that. And that was just the 2nd period.

 

[goldy_331]

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There's was only one horribly awful call that wasn't legit in the game. The 5er to Zach Budish. One of the worst calls I have ever seen.

I agree. I can't imagine how that looked like CFB, regardless of the angle he had. I thought the rest of the calls were legit. Sure they missed some and there were two blatant misses in OT, but one each way so they just swallowed the whistle in OT which is not unusual. UMD got one extra call because they were more aggressive for most of the game.

 

[D2D]

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What I noticed was that the linesmen seemed to let a lot of offsides go uncalled.

 

[Koho]

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Gophers need to improve on breaking the puck out. The UMD forecheck was tough, but far too many dumps up the boards. One area where our inexperience at defense really showed. I was happy to see the increased puck movement on the power play though.

What really frustrated me was the half dozen times the D had a little time to make a break out pass and bounced it off a UMD player's skates. Also, they went more for the long pass in the third instead of sticking with what worked in the first. The D is young, and will hopefully improve. I'm not usre I am convinced that I am convinced by all those people who think Holl and Alt will more than make up for Ness' loss yet. They have potential, but still look like underclassmen fior stretches. If they improve a lot over the year, this team could finish well with all the talent they have.

 

[Koho]

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I think some of the 2nd and 3rd period issues we had was because tDogs stepped it up a notch or two as well, but yeah the Gophers need to handle the pressure better. The youth started to show during the penalty fest that was the 2nd period and the running around in the 3rd. But the effort was there all game and they were rewarded with the win which was nice to see.

How's the glass Scoob?

Duluth did play better in 2nd and third, but there were times where the Gophs were standing around and not attacking the puck, but waiting for Duluth to do something and then reacting. And times when they weren't pressured and still made poor passes or weren't skating like they did in the first, which makes me agree with Scoobs that they lapsed at times. At least they didn't quit this time though.

 

[Dave]

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I hear many saying that was a fun game to watch...it was to a point, but the refs made so many goofy calls it wasn't much "fun" to watch. What I did enjoy watching was two teams playing with heart. UMD did come out slow during the first 10 minutes of the game and UM capitalized on that slow start. I don't think the Dogs will do that this evening, but you never know.

My overall impression is that the Gophers are an improved team from last year and the Dogs are down a little from last year. I would expect both of these teams to battle for spots 3-6 in the final standings. I don't think you could say one team played better than the other. If I'm Lucia or Sandelin I would be concerned about the D lines. 94 shots on net between the two teams (UMD 50 and UM 44) is unacceptable.

On this thread I've heard some complain about the 5 minute major...I have to say I thought both 5 minutes given out last night were very weak. However, you're going to see that for a while as contact to the head is a point of interest this year. From what I understand it's 5 minutes even if the hit wasn't checking from behind.

Let's hope for a better game tonight.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

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Just rewatched the game. I don't see any way that there were legitimately 94 shots on net. To classify as a shot, it has to be a shot that either went in or had to be stopped to prevent the puck from going in. I don't know who the official scorer was, but I think he/she was classifying anything close to the net as a shot on some occasions. I would guess both goaltenders faced between 40-45 shots (slight edge still to the Dogs).

That said, the points above still stand. Sloppy play in the defensive zones, strong forechecks, and young defensemen led to far too many shots on goal.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

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Dave - I would argue that the Budish hit shouldn't have even been a boarding call, let alone a CFB. Hard to deny the hit on Rau wasn't at least boarding. Both CFB calls were iffy, but the one on Budish was MUCH more so IMO.

 

[The Rube]

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Dave - I would argue that the Budish hit shouldn't have even been a boarding call, let alone a CFB. Hard to deny the hit on Rau wasn't at least boarding. Both CFB calls were iffy, but the one on Budish was MUCH more so IMO.

I thought the Budish was a 2. Too dangerous of a hit, especially with the points-of-emphasis this year.

As for SOG, the loose interpretation of the rule is that if it's on-net (could still be shot wide) and the goalie is in the crease, and touches the puck, it counts; or, if the puck enters the crease and the goalie stops it, such as an icing attempt back in the day. Again, that's a loose interpretation of the rule, which has been around quite a while. I wouldn't say it's a correct interpretation.

 

[year of the gopher]

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On this thread I've heard some complain about the 5 minute major...I have to say I thought both 5 minutes given out last night were very weak. However, you're going to see that for a while as contact to the head is a point of interest this year. From what I understand it's 5 minutes even if the hit wasn't checking from behind.

Checking from behind was the call in both cases, not hits to the head. Checking from behind should be...you know...from behind, not into the front of the shoulder. The call against the dogs for CFB was not arguable if you saw the replay, very clear. The one on Budish should have been a 2 minute boarding.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

I thought the Budish was a 2. Too dangerous of a hit, especially with the points-of-emphasis this year.

As for SOG, the loose interpretation of the rule is that if it's on-net (could still be shot wide) and the goalie is in the crease, and touches the puck, it counts; or, if the puck enters the crease and the goalie stops it, such as an icing attempt back in the day. Again, that's a loose interpretation of the rule, which has been around quite a while. I wouldn't say it's a correct interpretation.

What I meant was, you could possibly make an argument that the Budish hit wasn't even boarding. Same cannot be said on the hit to Rau IMO. I would have been fine with a boarding call on Budish.

And to those who say UMD scored almost immediately so it wouldn't have mattered, your forgetting that we lost a first-line forward for the remainder of the game.

I'm not going to complain about the officiating because I thought there were bad calls both ways, but I find it laughable that some UMD fans are claiming the refs gave the Gophers this game.

As for the shots on net, you're right, it is open for interpretation. However, after rewatching the game and focusing on this specifically, it is my opinion that the score keeper was overly generous in this department (on both sides). Thanks for clarification on the rule though

 

[The Rube]

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What I meant was, you could possibly make an argument that the Budish hit wasn't even boarding. Same cannot be said on the hit to Rau IMO. I would have been fine with a boarding call on Budish.

And to those who say UMD scored almost immediately so it wouldn't have mattered, your forgetting that we lost a first-line forward for the remainder of the game.

I'm not going to complain about the officiating because I thought there were bad calls both ways, but ai find it laughable that some UMD fans are claiming the refs gave the Gophers this game.

As for the shots on net, you're right, it is open for interpretation. However, after rewatching the game and focusing on this specifically, it is my opinion that the score keeper was overly generous in this department (on both sides).

I agree with you that the goal within two minutes shouldn't be the reason to be upset. It was the loss of the player for the game. And while it's a small number of tUMD fans (saw maybe 3-4 on other sites), their tinfoil hats are the size of $Texas.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

I agree with you that the goal within two minutes shouldn't be the reason to be upset. It was the loss of the player for the game. And while it's a small number of tUMD fans (saw maybe 3-4 on other sites), their tinfoil hats are the size of $Texas.

A few in particular were rather childish in the way they handled the loss, but I didn't let it ruin my enjoyment of this victory

 

[JDUBBS1280]

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I also find it funny that they claim the refs "gave us the game", and that Lucia "got penalty calls whenever he wanted", yet they called an embellishment penalty on Rau. Just shows how absolutely clueless some of them are.

 

[Koho]

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I would have to watch it again, but I'm not sure I would have even given that 2 minutes. Budish is a big guy whose hits have an impact. A smaller guy checks a guy shoulder to shoulder just after the puck is released and I don't see a penalty being called. Guys shouldn't be punished for being big and able to hit harder than others. (Maybe I haven't recovered from the McAlpine years where it seemed like every 4th penalty he got was a legal check that just crushed a guy.) But in the context that some other calls were being made in the game that could have been let go, I would have been fine with 2 minutes. (And to be clear, I do not like fighting in hockey or have any problem with getting tighter calls to prevent head and neck injuries. I think it is making NHL a better game to watch.)

I switched to the UMD announcers shortly after the UMD 5 minute and they seemed to be claiming that call was just a make-up call. If the Budish check from the side is a major, they had to call that one. They have to be the most biased announcers I've ever heard. It is fine to get more excited when the team you are covering does well. That is expected. But to be sooooo biased that you rarely see a penalty on your team while constantly claiming the other team is getting away with things is ridiculous. I missed what they said about the Budish call. Did anyone catch if they admitted it was a horrible call? (I apologize for obsessing about it, but wish all the people who claimed Doug and the rug were so biased could see real bias.)

 

[The Rube]

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I would have to watch it again, but I'm not sure I would have even given that 2 minutes. Budish is a big guy whose hits have an impact. A smaller guy checks a guy shoulder to shoulder just after the puck is released and I don't see a penalty being called. Guys shouldn't be punished for being big and able to hit harder than others. (Maybe I haven't recovered from the McAlpine years where it seemed like every 4th penalty he got was a legal check that just crushed a guy.) But in the context that some other calls were being made in the game that could have been let go, I would have been fine with 2 minutes. (And to be clear, I do not like fighting in hockey or have any problem with getting tighter calls to prevent head and neck injuries. I think it is making NHL a better game to watch.)

I switched to the UMD announcers shortly after the UMD 5 minute and they seemed to be claiming that call was just a make-up call. If the Budish check from the side is a major, they had to call that one. They have to be the most biased announcers I've ever heard. It is fine to get more excited when the team you are covering does well. That is expected. But to be sooooo biased that you rarely see a penalty on your team while constantly claiming the other team is getting away with things is ridiculous. I missed what they said about the Budish call. Did anyone catch if they admitted it was a horrible call? (I apologize for obsessing about it, but wish all the people who claimed Doug and the rug were so biased could see real bias.)

If you listened to Ciskie, I feel sorry for you. He's Sonmor-like (whom I also could never listen to, because of the bias).

And JDubbs, despite some childishness, I was still a-dancin' on the Happy Hockey Table.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I switched to the UMD announcers shortly after the UMD 5 minute and they seemed to be claiming that call was just a make-up call. If the Budish check from the side is a major, they had to call that one. They have to be the most biased announcers I've ever heard.

They're idiots then. The 5 on the UMD player was clearly a 5. They showed the angle on TV. When he hit the guy he could clearly see the number on Rau's back and he drove him into the boards. That's a 5 every time.

Budish' hit should not have been a 5. They showed that angle on the TV as well. He could not (you couldn't either) see the numbers on the guys back when he hit him.

There was no "make up call".

 

[JDUBBS1280]

I would have to watch it again, but I'm not sure I would have even given that 2 minutes. Budish is a big guy whose hits have an impact. A smaller guy checks a guy shoulder to shoulder just after the puck is released and I don't see a penalty being called. Guys shouldn't be punished for being big and able to hit harder than others. (Maybe I haven't recovered from the McAlpine years where it seemed like every 4th penalty he got was a legal check that just crushed a guy.) But in the context that some other calls were being made in the game that could have been let go, I would have been fine with 2 minutes. (And to be clear, I do not like fighting in hockey or have any problem with getting tighter calls to prevent head and neck injuries. I think it is making NHL a better game to watch.)

I switched to the UMD announcers shortly after the UMD 5 minute and they seemed to be claiming that call was just a make-up call. If the Budish check from the side is a major, they had to call that one. They have to be the most biased announcers I've ever heard. It is fine to get more excited when the team you are covering does well. That is expected. But to be sooooo biased that you rarely see a penalty on your team while constantly claiming the other team is getting away with things is ridiculous. I missed what they said about the Budish call. Did anyone catch if they admitted it was a horrible call? (I apologize for obsessing about it, but wish all the people who claimed Doug and the rug were so biased could see real bias.)

That's Bruce Ciskie for you. The guy is the biggest tool in the toolbox.

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[Koho]

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And to those who say UMD scored almost immediately so it wouldn't have mattered, your forgetting that we lost a first-line forward for the remainder of the game.


As for the shots on net, you're right, it is open for interpretation. However, after rewatching the game and focusing on this specifically, it is my opinion that the score keeper was overly generous in this department (on both sides). Thanks for clarification on the rule though

I missed the argument about how a goal in short order on a PP wouldn't have mattered, I assume that is about if it had been 2 v. 5? (see above for why I don't think it should have been two.) Not that it matters since the Gophs still won and in a way they can learn from for the future.

And as for shots on goal, since when has it been open for interpretation? I don't ever remember anything other than 'only shots that are headed between the posts count'? Why would anyone come to the conclusion that a shot that is a foot wide of the post and let go isn't a shot on goal, whereas the same shot that the goalie grabs is? Was there ever an actual document that stated scorers could be more liberal (ie. the definition has changed?)

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I'm sorry. You can't drive a player into the boards face first when he's off the boards. At a MINIMUM it was a two.