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Gophers at Bulldogs Oct 14 & 15 - No more well wishes
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JDUBBS1280
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If you listened to Ciskie, I feel sorry for you. He's Sonmor-like (whom I also could never listen to, because of the bias).
And JDubbs, despite some childishness, I was still a-dancin' on the Happy Hockey Table.
Me too
ScoobyDoo
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I'm not questioning it was a penalty. It was NOT checking from behind though. Not even close.
I'm not questioning it was a penalty. It was NOT checking from behind though. Not even close.
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A couple people were ready to blame the refs because the goal was a direct result of the 5 minute penalty. However, even if it was a 2 minute penalty, the goal still would have been scored.
And the rule of SOG hasn't changed, just interpretations of it are applied differently, depending on the scorekeeper.
A couple people were ready to blame the refs because the goal was a direct result of the 5 minute penalty. However, even if it was a 2 minute penalty, the goal still would have been scored.
And the rule of SOG hasn't changed, just interpretations of it are applied differently, depending on the scorekeeper.
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I can't explain what possessed me to switch channels at that point to hear their commentary. I knew what idiots they were, and thought this was a perfect chance to prove they weren't as bad as I thought by admitting the call was bad on MN but the right one on UMD. I thought it was so obvious that they couldn't even twist it. But they did. The only way I switch over tonight is perhaps if the Gophs happen to be on the verge of a sweep at the end with a comfortable lead, because I know they would be suffering at that point. (Not they expect that to happen, but a person can dream.)
If you listened to Ciskie, I feel sorry for you. He's Sonmor-like (whom I also could never listen to, because of the bias).
And JDubbs, despite some childishness, I was still a-dancin' on the Happy Hockey Table.
I can't explain what possessed me to switch channels at that point to hear their commentary. I knew what idiots they were, and thought this was a perfect chance to prove they weren't as bad as I thought by admitting the call was bad on MN but the right one on UMD. I thought it was so obvious that they couldn't even twist it. But they did. The only way I switch over tonight is perhaps if the Gophs happen to be on the verge of a sweep at the end with a comfortable lead, because I know they would be suffering at that point. (Not they expect that to happen, but a person can dream.)
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
Someone on UMD Penalty Box foolishly made the argument that the bad call on Budish wouldn't have mattered because, even if it were only a boarding call, UMD scored right away anyways.
As explained above, this is foolish not only because the Budish hit was borderline even as a boarding call, but more importantly because we were left without one of our first line forwards for the remainder of the game.
Re: Gophers at Bulldogs Oct 14 & 15 - No more well wishes
I would like to see it again. I admit I was so focused on whether it was from behind or not, I did not watch the follow through as much. I assume no one has posted video of any highlights from the game?
I would like to see it again. I admit I was so focused on whether it was from behind or not, I did not watch the follow through as much. I assume no one has posted video of any highlights from the game?
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Thanks for the explanation. But I guess it doesn't matter because the team with the best program won as they should have anyways. Hopefully it will be another fun one tonight.
Thanks for the explanation. But I guess it doesn't matter because the team with the best program won as they should have anyways. Hopefully it will be another fun one tonight.
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
If you're talking about the Budish hit, it was clearly shoulder-to-shoulder. The UMD player didn't get face planted into the boards at all. It was a big hit, and I wouldn't have argued too much with a boarding call, but it was totally clean. A CFB was was completely overboard in that situation.
The hit on Rau, on the other hand, was clearly from behind and resulted in Rau being face p,anted into the boards. It was night and day different than the Budish hit.
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If you are talking about the Budish call, it is a good thing you aren't a ref, because no way was it a CFB. Before the first replay, Gorg said 'let's see if this could be a CFB', but immediately went on to say it will only be 2 minutes and went on with his commentary about something else because it only took one look to know it shouldn't have been a CFB. Unless the new name of the rule is "checking from behind, the side or anything that isn't the chest", that wasn't a 5.
If you are talking about the Budish call, it is a good thing you aren't a ref, because no way was it a CFB. Before the first replay, Gorg said 'let's see if this could be a CFB', but immediately went on to say it will only be 2 minutes and went on with his commentary about something else because it only took one look to know it shouldn't have been a CFB. Unless the new name of the rule is "checking from behind, the side or anything that isn't the chest", that wasn't a 5.
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
Really? I have the game DVR'd. Watching it over and over. Nowhere close to from behind, much less a face plant. I don't doubt your initial reaction, but I don't see even the slightest justification for a CFB.
In fact, I think the call was so horrible that these officials probably need retraining as to what to look for. Brutal, brutal call.
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JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
Not attacking you man. I said I don't doubt you when you said your initial reaction was that it could be CFB. I have the benefit of having the game recorded, and have been rewatching that hit. I am ripping the refs for a brutal call, not you for your interpretation
They had the benefit of being able to watch and rewatch the hit, and still got the call wrong.
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"They're idiots then. The 5 on the UMD player was clearly a 5. They showed the angle on TV. When he hit the guy he could clearly see the number on Rau's back and he drove him into the boards. That's a 5 every time."
WOW...I was at the game, I've seen Rau play in H.S. a handfull of times. The kid is a good, smart hockey player. Yesterday I read an article online someplace (I'm sure someone can find it) about the new officiating rules in the NHL(which have been changed pretty much across the board concerning hits and those centered around the head) and the article centered around Cal Clutterbuck and how certain players just at the point of impact were turning on the play to a)either avoid contact or b)draw a penalty.
Rau did just that on this call (applause for Kyle)...from my view I saw Rau along the boards heading towards the MN bench w/the puck. The UMD D was a step or two away (going to make that "shoulder to shoulder" check) at that point Rau showed him his numbers, (hit the brakes, went to reverse his direction)...PENALTY... make-up call? maybe likely, but like I said when they called Buddish (he'll get 5 for that, probably doesn't deserve it), instantly the same had to be done on this hit.
Like Clutterbuck stated, he's had to pull up at the very last second and it has changed the way the game is played, Luke McManus probably had time to pull up and avoid contact, which he didn't.
I haven't sat and watched the instant replays on TV, this is what I recall "live" at the game.
I saw interference calls blown on team A entering the offensive zone, then called on team B going the other way in identical situations. That's just a total lack of consistency (which at least on the 2 majors the refs seemed to have for those 2 min. of the game).
From what I've read on this thread, there isn't a big rivalry between UMD and MN? Most of the posters must not be old enough to remember SCSU as being D3...early 1990s? (again, someone will look this up & correct me) and Mankato went D1 in '97 (this I know as my sister's husband played on that team). Correct me if I'm wrong, but MN's biggest rivals have always been Wisc., North Dakota (obvious border state schools) and UMD (it's little brother). Watching the game last night I didn't see much "loafing around" like someone posted in this thread happens because MN vs. UMD isn't as big a rivalry as MN vs. UND. I saw some exhaustion on a bunch of faces from both teams at different points of the game, mainly the last 1/3 of the 3rd and OT. Kids were sucking wind on both teams, if you were at the game and saw the "hit" highlight reel on the scoreboard, you'd realize they left it all on the ice. Granted the highlights were in favor of UMD hits, MN provided plenty on their end also.
Congrats to all those fans in the metro, a Gophers(or Minnesota "metro") team giving you something to cheer about for the first time in years.
How's Lucia's extension look now? Or is it the addition of Mike? I'd pick Mike, wish he would've filled UMD's vacancy at the Def. coaching position. But UMD is keeping that UND pipeline open, as well as I-35 is getting a make-over... I heard a few youngsters on that Fargo team will be a great addition to some lucky D1 team in a few years.
Oh, I forgot... the Lynx showed the 'pro' teams how to finish for the first time since the Twins in '91.
"They're idiots then. The 5 on the UMD player was clearly a 5. They showed the angle on TV. When he hit the guy he could clearly see the number on Rau's back and he drove him into the boards. That's a 5 every time."
WOW...I was at the game, I've seen Rau play in H.S. a handfull of times. The kid is a good, smart hockey player. Yesterday I read an article online someplace (I'm sure someone can find it) about the new officiating rules in the NHL(which have been changed pretty much across the board concerning hits and those centered around the head) and the article centered around Cal Clutterbuck and how certain players just at the point of impact were turning on the play to a)either avoid contact or b)draw a penalty.
Rau did just that on this call (applause for Kyle)...from my view I saw Rau along the boards heading towards the MN bench w/the puck. The UMD D was a step or two away (going to make that "shoulder to shoulder" check) at that point Rau showed him his numbers, (hit the brakes, went to reverse his direction)...PENALTY... make-up call? maybe likely, but like I said when they called Buddish (he'll get 5 for that, probably doesn't deserve it), instantly the same had to be done on this hit.
Like Clutterbuck stated, he's had to pull up at the very last second and it has changed the way the game is played, Luke McManus probably had time to pull up and avoid contact, which he didn't.
I haven't sat and watched the instant replays on TV, this is what I recall "live" at the game.
I saw interference calls blown on team A entering the offensive zone, then called on team B going the other way in identical situations. That's just a total lack of consistency (which at least on the 2 majors the refs seemed to have for those 2 min. of the game).
From what I've read on this thread, there isn't a big rivalry between UMD and MN? Most of the posters must not be old enough to remember SCSU as being D3...early 1990s? (again, someone will look this up & correct me) and Mankato went D1 in '97 (this I know as my sister's husband played on that team). Correct me if I'm wrong, but MN's biggest rivals have always been Wisc., North Dakota (obvious border state schools) and UMD (it's little brother). Watching the game last night I didn't see much "loafing around" like someone posted in this thread happens because MN vs. UMD isn't as big a rivalry as MN vs. UND. I saw some exhaustion on a bunch of faces from both teams at different points of the game, mainly the last 1/3 of the 3rd and OT. Kids were sucking wind on both teams, if you were at the game and saw the "hit" highlight reel on the scoreboard, you'd realize they left it all on the ice. Granted the highlights were in favor of UMD hits, MN provided plenty on their end also.
Congrats to all those fans in the metro, a Gophers(or Minnesota "metro") team giving you something to cheer about for the first time in years.
How's Lucia's extension look now? Or is it the addition of Mike? I'd pick Mike, wish he would've filled UMD's vacancy at the Def. coaching position. But UMD is keeping that UND pipeline open, as well as I-35 is getting a make-over... I heard a few youngsters on that Fargo team will be a great addition to some lucky D1 team in a few years.
Oh, I forgot... the Lynx showed the 'pro' teams how to finish for the first time since the Twins in '91.
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No kidding...I'm hoping an English translation is forthcoming.
William Blake
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Re: Gophers at Bulldogs Oct 14 & 15 - No more well wishes
Any place I can watch last night's game online?
Any place I can watch last night's game online?
Re: Gophers at Bulldogs Oct 14 & 15 - No more well wishes
"But I guess it doesn't matter because the team with the best program won as they should have anyways."
Really? ...just more arrogance that's typical of a Gopher fan.
You mean the MN program that for the last 3-4 years (even while still finishing above .500) has been in serious trouble with it's fanbase? UMD has capitalized on the debacle (or speed bump) LOL that has happened in the Twin Cities. A school that never really carried much more then 50% Minnesotan's on its roster because the top players wanted to play under the big spotlight now has a roster the last couple of years consisting of ~90% MN players.
Or do you mean overall? I seem to remember seeing lots of "Fire Lucia" postings. That the program can't develop players, etc. etc. etc.
Maybe MN has turned it around with this group of Fresh/Soph. and they have developed the "we" instead of the "me" attitude that has been obviously apparent in past seasons.
In all sports, chemistry is key... Vikings had it in Favre's first year and according to "insiders" it wasn't there last year. Issues behind the bench, in the locker room, on the ice all can shake up a program.
I just want to say, currently... your statement isn't accurate. Historically, MN is the biggest, most recognized school in the state. But, UMD has the National Title on campus and that my friend tells me that their program has/or is being ran rather well...at least currently. 2001-02,-03 was 10 years ago and 1983-85 some of UMDs best years were a long time ago. Remember a guy named Brett Hull? How come one of the greatest of all-time college & pro didn't play at MN?
"But I guess it doesn't matter because the team with the best program won as they should have anyways."
Really? ...just more arrogance that's typical of a Gopher fan.
You mean the MN program that for the last 3-4 years (even while still finishing above .500) has been in serious trouble with it's fanbase? UMD has capitalized on the debacle (or speed bump) LOL that has happened in the Twin Cities. A school that never really carried much more then 50% Minnesotan's on its roster because the top players wanted to play under the big spotlight now has a roster the last couple of years consisting of ~90% MN players.
Or do you mean overall? I seem to remember seeing lots of "Fire Lucia" postings. That the program can't develop players, etc. etc. etc.
Maybe MN has turned it around with this group of Fresh/Soph. and they have developed the "we" instead of the "me" attitude that has been obviously apparent in past seasons.
In all sports, chemistry is key... Vikings had it in Favre's first year and according to "insiders" it wasn't there last year. Issues behind the bench, in the locker room, on the ice all can shake up a program.
I just want to say, currently... your statement isn't accurate. Historically, MN is the biggest, most recognized school in the state. But, UMD has the National Title on campus and that my friend tells me that their program has/or is being ran rather well...at least currently. 2001-02,-03 was 10 years ago and 1983-85 some of UMDs best years were a long time ago. Remember a guy named Brett Hull? How come one of the greatest of all-time college & pro didn't play at MN?
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JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
you're forgetting Michigan Tech. Huge rival in the 70's. They played each other in three straight finals in '74-'76. Michigan and Michigan State were also once big rivals. Recently, yes, UMD has been a rival. However, until very recently (with exception of a few seasons here and there) it was very one-sided. And if you look at the entire 91 year history of Gopher Hockey, UMD probably doesn't make the Top 5 of greatest Gopher rivals. Although, I do appreciate it more than the one with UW, which has always felt force fed.