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Re: Global War on Terror Version 6 - Perpetual Motion Machine
Nope, but it does include grilled cheese sandwiches.
Nope, but it does include grilled cheese sandwiches.
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Global War on Terror Version 6 - Perpetual Motion Machine
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Re: Global War on Terror Version 6 - Perpetual Motion Machine
A bit disappointed in Obama's response to Netanyahu's speech: "he didn't offer any new ideas" or however he phrased it.
Netanyahu was very clear on a "third way": increase the pressure and intensity of sanctions. They already had bite when oil was $100 / bbl, now at $50 / bbl, ramp them up even more, until the Iranians buckle.
Iran has already proven that it cannot be trusted, and they are arming Shiite groups across the Middle East (probably assisted by special forces operatives as well): in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Qatar, Iranian-backed forces are in control of substantial territory. Allow Iran to smuggle nuclear weapons to any of them, and boom!
A bit disappointed in Obama's response to Netanyahu's speech: "he didn't offer any new ideas" or however he phrased it.
Netanyahu was very clear on a "third way": increase the pressure and intensity of sanctions. They already had bite when oil was $100 / bbl, now at $50 / bbl, ramp them up even more, until the Iranians buckle.
Iran has already proven that it cannot be trusted, and they are arming Shiite groups across the Middle East (probably assisted by special forces operatives as well): in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Qatar, Iranian-backed forces are in control of substantial territory. Allow Iran to smuggle nuclear weapons to any of them, and boom!
Re: Global War on Terror Version 6 - Perpetual Motion Machine
Hard to say if the new Russia equation has changed the Iran equation.
Hard to say if the new Russia equation has changed the Iran equation.
Re: Global War on Terror Version 6 - Perpetual Motion Machine
You apparently think harsher criticism was warranted. In what way?
You apparently think harsher criticism was warranted. In what way?
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Based upon the comment and Fishy's lean, I'd say his thought is in the other direction, that said criticism was unwarranted. Dr. Savage is calling the bluff on reading the transcript, though. http://www.michaelsavage.wnd.com/2015/03/savage-audio-netanyahu-comes-to-congress/
Based upon the comment and Fishy's lean, I'd say his thought is in the other direction, that said criticism was unwarranted. Dr. Savage is calling the bluff on reading the transcript, though. http://www.michaelsavage.wnd.com/2015/03/savage-audio-netanyahu-comes-to-congress/
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There is little need nor desire for me to offer harsher criticism of Obama on this subject.
There is little need nor desire for me to offer harsher criticism of Obama on this subject.
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I guess I should have used an emoticon of some kind.
I guess I should have used an emoticon of some kind.
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Yes, I've found at many times that a "sarcasm alert" is warranted with some people as well. "roll eyes" doesn't quite do it properly. I've pretty much given up on sarcasm in some threads entirely.
Yes, I've found at many times that a "sarcasm alert" is warranted with some people as well. "roll eyes" doesn't quite do it properly. I've pretty much given up on sarcasm in some threads entirely.
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If the Iranians want to build a bomb, so be it. If they get close to building one, by the time the Israeli Air Force gets to Tehran they will find smouldering ruins left behind by the Chinese jets on their way back to Beijing.
If the Iranians want to build a bomb, so be it. If they get close to building one, by the time the Israeli Air Force gets to Tehran they will find smouldering ruins left behind by the Chinese jets on their way back to Beijing.
FlagDUDE08
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And I'm sure they'll go through another round of layoffs in a couple months.
Glad I'm out of that business.
And I'm sure they'll go through another round of layoffs in a couple months.
Glad I'm out of that business.
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*** would Iran do with one anyway? Are their leaders oblivious to the concept of fallout or Western retribution? And lest anyone trot out suicide for Allah it's never the ruling elite that makes that sacrifice.
*** would Iran do with one anyway? Are their leaders oblivious to the concept of fallout or Western retribution? And lest anyone trot out suicide for Allah it's never the ruling elite that makes that sacrifice.
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gee, so Iran couldn't smuggle a bomb out of its country and supply it to a surrogate? and then deny with a straight face that the bomb came from them? "after all, it might have come from dissidents in Pakistan, or maybe Kim Jong Un sold one of his on the black market for an outrageous sum. You can't prove it came from us, but if you try to attack us in some supposed form of 'retaliation', well, then we'll unleash everything we have at you!"
So you are really that confident that (a) Iran can be trusted, and (b) they actually will honor any agreement they make, and (c) we'll have enough good intelligence to know well ahead of time?? Do you actually have any evidence to support any of those assertions, given the track record we've seen so far?
Some of the evidence captured in the bin Laden raid indicates that Iran let al Qaeda operate covertly inside its borders. Yet that evidence is only coming to light now, even though the raid was two years ago. I hate it as much as you do, I really do. I don't want us to have to deal with them. But it is insane not to do otherwise: think of it like gangrene. You cannot ignore it, it will not go away, it will not stop spreading, it will not respond to antibiotics, it will not respond to any treatment known to humankind. there is only one way and one way only to keep it from killing you. You think anybody wants that???
gee, so Iran couldn't smuggle a bomb out of its country and supply it to a surrogate? and then deny with a straight face that the bomb came from them? "after all, it might have come from dissidents in Pakistan, or maybe Kim Jong Un sold one of his on the black market for an outrageous sum. You can't prove it came from us, but if you try to attack us in some supposed form of 'retaliation', well, then we'll unleash everything we have at you!"
So you are really that confident that (a) Iran can be trusted, and (b) they actually will honor any agreement they make, and (c) we'll have enough good intelligence to know well ahead of time?? Do you actually have any evidence to support any of those assertions, given the track record we've seen so far?
Some of the evidence captured in the bin Laden raid indicates that Iran let al Qaeda operate covertly inside its borders. Yet that evidence is only coming to light now, even though the raid was two years ago. I hate it as much as you do, I really do. I don't want us to have to deal with them. But it is insane not to do otherwise: think of it like gangrene. You cannot ignore it, it will not go away, it will not stop spreading, it will not respond to antibiotics, it will not respond to any treatment known to humankind. there is only one way and one way only to keep it from killing you. You think anybody wants that???
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Global War on Terror Version 6 - Perpetual Motion Machine
Too bad you didn't live in the 50s and 60s
FadeToBlack&Gold
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No one fired a nuke at another country in the 50s or 60s due to MAD. Closest it came was the Cuban Missile Crisis, and even then that was mostly a Navy "Game of Chicken", which today gets excessively elevated by history books as a method of beefing up overrated JFK's wimpy resume.
Today? Perhaps there will be a nutty Islamist cult who gets ahold of and fires a nuke "in the name of Allah". I don't think it's likely though.
No one fired a nuke at another country in the 50s or 60s due to MAD. Closest it came was the Cuban Missile Crisis, and even then that was mostly a Navy "Game of Chicken", which today gets excessively elevated by history books as a method of beefing up overrated JFK's wimpy resume.
Today? Perhaps there will be a nutty Islamist cult who gets ahold of and fires a nuke "in the name of Allah". I don't think it's likely though.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
XYZ
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It will happen eventually. It's inevitable, and no doubt America will overreact at a historically unprecedented level, which is saying something considering the nation's incredibly shortsighted and emotionally driven response to 9/11. Probably only a matter of time until random shopping malls start getting shot up at irregular intervals. Was amused at the alarm that concept caused when it hit the news a few (I think) weeks ago. I'm surprised it took the jihad brigade 12 years to figure that idea out, to be honest. Some of these things are going to happen and it isn't going to be fun, and I'm not sure the Western world is capable of reacting rationally when the time comes, which is far more dangerous than most people realize. Point being: I'd be careful when it comes to belittling the possibility certain things. Doing so merely puts oneself in a position to act surprised when they do occur, when in reality they should come as no surprise at all.
It will happen eventually. It's inevitable, and no doubt America will overreact at a historically unprecedented level, which is saying something considering the nation's incredibly shortsighted and emotionally driven response to 9/11. Probably only a matter of time until random shopping malls start getting shot up at irregular intervals. Was amused at the alarm that concept caused when it hit the news a few (I think) weeks ago. I'm surprised it took the jihad brigade 12 years to figure that idea out, to be honest. Some of these things are going to happen and it isn't going to be fun, and I'm not sure the Western world is capable of reacting rationally when the time comes, which is far more dangerous than most people realize. Point being: I'd be careful when it comes to belittling the possibility certain things. Doing so merely puts oneself in a position to act surprised when they do occur, when in reality they should come as no surprise at all.
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There's definite truth to that. Once we hang the "evil" label on a threat, we are capable of very irrational behaviors. ISIS is an evil force, but we watch a handful of beheadings on cable news or youtube and we are ready to sacrifice many lives and spend billions of dollars to kick some arse, while we watch over 480,000 Americans die each year from tobacco related causes. Nobody is saying Phillip Morris is ISIS, but there is no dispute that big tobacco has long known that its products kill and that they are addictive. It is going after our own people and profiting hugely from doing it.
Similar conclusions are being reached about sugar consumption, which is also addictive. The American Heart Association Conf in 2011 announced that 180,000 deaths are caused worldwide from consumption of sugary drinks alone.
Figures can easily be disputed, and American companies selling cigarettes and sugary cereals and drinks are not plotting to blow up orphanages and decapitate aid workers and journalists. They are not evil incarnate. Ours is a free society and they are just making profits in ways we permit them to. But the scale of harm that has already occurred and will continue to occur from those friendlies is thousands of times worse than is being caused by ISIS and other radical groups. But the people making the real bucks are the people selling the image, and once we affix a label to a product or a group, we can be convinced to do some very irrational and destructive things.
There's definite truth to that. Once we hang the "evil" label on a threat, we are capable of very irrational behaviors. ISIS is an evil force, but we watch a handful of beheadings on cable news or youtube and we are ready to sacrifice many lives and spend billions of dollars to kick some arse, while we watch over 480,000 Americans die each year from tobacco related causes. Nobody is saying Phillip Morris is ISIS, but there is no dispute that big tobacco has long known that its products kill and that they are addictive. It is going after our own people and profiting hugely from doing it.
Similar conclusions are being reached about sugar consumption, which is also addictive. The American Heart Association Conf in 2011 announced that 180,000 deaths are caused worldwide from consumption of sugary drinks alone.
Figures can easily be disputed, and American companies selling cigarettes and sugary cereals and drinks are not plotting to blow up orphanages and decapitate aid workers and journalists. They are not evil incarnate. Ours is a free society and they are just making profits in ways we permit them to. But the scale of harm that has already occurred and will continue to occur from those friendlies is thousands of times worse than is being caused by ISIS and other radical groups. But the people making the real bucks are the people selling the image, and once we affix a label to a product or a group, we can be convinced to do some very irrational and destructive things.
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