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Global War on Terror Version 6 - Perpetual Motion Machine

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So, now Barack Obama (who sits to the right of Bush II) on many issues is a communist? And he got communist policies through the government?

Tell me what Communistic government would EVER EVER EVER pass a health care plan that has most of it's money going to capitalistic entities (The Insurance Industry)?

I'll tell you how many. Zero.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
So, now Barack Obama (who sits to the right of Bush II) on many issues is a communist? And he got communist policies through the government?

Tell me what Communistic government would EVER EVER EVER pass a health care plan that has most of it's money going to capitalistic entities (The Insurance Industry)?

I'll tell you how many. Zero.
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Then why have Medicare and Medicaid greatly exapnded? It's because this communist government is trying to use the country's modified capitalism with government mandates against them. Eventually, the insurance industries will be priced out by government policy, leading to single-payer, which is ENTIRELY communist.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Then why have Medicare and Medicaid greatly exapnded? It's because this communist government is trying to use the country's modified capitalism with government mandates against them. Eventually, the insurance industries will be priced out by government policy, leading to single-payer, which is ENTIRELY communist.
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Not communist if Health Care is a right instead of a privilege which many many many western style democracies believe. But, you keep thinking that way.
 
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Communism is not the same as Socialism. People need to understand that before any meaningful dialogue can be held.
 
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Not communist if Health Care is a right instead of a privilege which many many many western style democracies believe. But, you keep thinking that way.
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Death panels REALLY make health care a right instead of a privilege. That's why the youngest and the oldest are told to just go and die. It's the exact same measures Hitler used in the Holocaust when trying to determine who was eligible for the labour camps.

Are you enjoying the taste of sand?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Death panels REALLY make health care a right instead of a privilege. That's why the youngest and the oldest are told to just go and die. It's the exact same measures Hitler used in the Holocaust when trying to determine who was eligible for the labour camps.

Are you enjoying the taste of sand?
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Death Panels? Seriously. That was debunked years ago. We keep more people alive longer than any other nation on earth. You are so clueless its beyond comprehension.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Death Panels? Seriously. That was debunked years ago. We keep more people alive longer than any other nation on earth. You are so clueless its beyond comprehension.
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Hello?! It's because people were able to pay for keeping themselves alive. You should see the long waiting periods for operations in other countries, how they could come here and buy it because they knew they could get it.

Your curtain is wearing out.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Death Panels? Seriously. That was debunked years ago. We keep more people alive longer than any other nation on earth. You are so clueless its beyond comprehension.
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Dude this is a guy who believes in the NWO...like he even knows what Communism is. His entire wardrobe is made of tinfoil :p
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Death panels REALLY make health care a right instead of a privilege. That's why the youngest and the oldest are told to just go and die. It's the exact same measures Hitler used in the Holocaust when trying to determine who was eligible for the labour camps.

Are you enjoying the taste of sand?
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ScoobyDoo said:
Death Panels? Seriously. That was debunked years ago. We keep more people alive longer than any other nation on earth. You are so clueless its beyond comprehension.
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Hello?! It's because people were able to pay for keeping themselves alive. You should see the long waiting periods for operations in other countries, how they could come here and buy it because they knew they could get it.

Your curtain is wearing out.
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The death panel story was remarkable in the number of people who were uncomprehending and gullible enough to buy it. The legislation was structured to reward health providers who got their patients to complete advance directives (health care powers of attorney). Advance directives, as nearly everybody but Sarah Palin knows, are a simple way for people to maintain control of their own health care decisions when they become incapable of making those decisions themselves. So if a person has a stroke and cannot process medical information effectively, the health care provider will not just do what they want to do with the patient without regard to what family members are telling them. The person designated as the agent, usually a spouse or other family member, will be able to express the patient's wishes as directed by the document. The whole point of advance directives is to empower the individual, and they do that very effectively. They are a good thing from a personal freedom and control perspective. They should be very popular with the big gubmint haters.

But Sarah Palin is too stupid or ignorant to understand such a simple thing (or, more likely, smart in her understanding of how to scare old voters into her fold with lies and misdirection), so she jabbered on about "death panels." Childish lack of comprehension, and such a pity in that it related to something that is so good for the ordinary person.
 
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Next Thread title - Global War on Terror Version 7 - It Blew Up in My Face
 
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joecct said:
Next Thread title - Global War on Terror Version 7 - It Blew Up in My Face
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How about:

Global War on Terror Version 7 - Careful Where You Point that Thing!
 
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burd said:
The death panel story was remarkable in the number of people who were uncomprehending and gullible enough to buy it. The legislation was structured to reward health providers who got their patients to complete advance directives (health care powers of attorney). Advance directives, as nearly everybody but Sarah Palin knows, are a simple way for people to maintain control of their own health care decisions when they become incapable of making those decisions themselves. So if a person has a stroke and cannot process medical information effectively, the health care provider will not just do what they want to do with the patient without regard to what family members are telling them. The person designated as the agent, usually a spouse or other family member, will be able to express the patient's wishes as directed by the document. The whole point of advance directives is to empower the individual, and they do that very effectively. They are a good thing from a personal freedom and control perspective. They should be very popular with the big gubmint haters.
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Here is an interesting ramification of the death panel bs and the public misconception that accompanies it. A couple of years ago, the Wisconsin State Medical society was advocating hard to increase the exposure of advanced directives to the public for all of the great reasons you stated above. At the same time, we* were voting on the societies position on physician assisted suicide for the terminally ill. By all accounts, it would have passed easily on the personal opinion of physicians voting but the leadership (who personally supported it) did not want to muddle the message of their advanced directive campaign and thus it failed. It was one of my first direct interactions with politics at work...an odd world for sure.

*I was a student delegate at the time. We actually have the same power in voting as any society member and the student caucus is pretty powerful in Wisconsin (to the dismay of a few conservative physicians from the rural areas). We "liberal" students actually made the vote close and almost passed the resolution in spite of the leaderships opposition.
 
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burd said:
The death panel story was remarkable in the number of people who were uncomprehending and gullible enough to buy it. The legislation was structured to reward health providers who got their patients to complete advance directives (health care powers of attorney). Advance directives, as nearly everybody but Sarah Palin knows, are a simple way for people to maintain control of their own health care decisions when they become incapable of making those decisions themselves. So if a person has a stroke and cannot process medical information effectively, the health care provider will not just do what they want to do with the patient without regard to what family members are telling them. The person designated as the agent, usually a spouse or other family member, will be able to express the patient's wishes as directed by the document. The whole point of advance directives is to empower the individual, and they do that very effectively. They are a good thing from a personal freedom and control perspective. They should be very popular with the big gubmint haters.

But Sarah Palin is too stupid or ignorant to understand such a simple thing (or, more likely, smart in her understanding of how to scare old voters into her fold with lies and misdirection), so she jabbered on about "death panels." Childish lack of comprehension, and such a pity in that it related to something that is so good for the ordinary person.
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Death panels do exist, especially with transplants. Only so many organs are available, and so there has to be a decision on who is eligible to receive it, and not surprisingly enough, money is not the exclusive factor. Here's one case, and although this specific one was overturned, don't expect that to happen too often, especially with the impending consolidation of "providers" due to PPACA: http://www.hngn.com/articles/4486/2...-girl-young-receive-adult-lung-transplant.htm

The argument has nothing to do with power of attorney. It entirely involves limited resources (whether organs, or money in the case of a single-payer system, such as Medicare, which BTW is a felony to fund another way if you are on Medicare) and corresponding access.
 
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