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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
As I've recently pointed out, anyone who has paid attention for the past decade can easily establish that modern American "centrists/moderates" are just the few remaining conservatives whose views on LGBT, immigrants, and minorities are a bit less extreme than their neighbors'. They're already voting conservative 8 or 9 times out of 10, they just don't want to admit it outside of their bubble.
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Huh? You may have noticed that Biden was elected as a Centrist.

Do you really think he had the conservative vote? Please.

He pledged to add a woman of color to his ticket, just because... Had he pledged to select an old white man before the fact, what would have been the difference, in terms of bias? (You would have howled, anyway, I'm quite sure.)

I won't go with Kepler-style 4th-grade- level insults, but bigots are bigots, on either side of the aisle, and what you say is clearly BS, inaccurate, and unfair.
 
MissThundercat said:
The last I checked, no one's making porn of disappointing pasty white cis men. The last I checked, your partners were using toys for satisfaction, NOT YOU.
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Uh ok, that's a bit uncalled for.

(And frankly grounds for reporting as a personal attack but I'll pass on that)
 
MissThundercat said:
The last I checked, no one's making porn of disappointing pasty white cis men. The last I checked, your partners were using toys for satisfaction, NOT YOU.
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It's almost as if you have a pre-disposed hate of certain individuals based on their gender, sexual orientation, and race. You are really treading the line here regarding some of the very things that you openly crusade against MT... Not cool.
 
This is, against all expectations, interesting. I don't agree with the host's ultimate concern about "wokeism," but it is considered and not obviously insincere. The idea of identity politics as "the Left wing of Neoliberalism" is a fascinating thesis.
 
The swimsuit issue is their most profitable issue of the year. It leads to desktop calendars and so on. So long as people like looking at attractive women, it'll sell. As far as sexual exploitation of women goes, it's rather tame. Also, they're focused more on women who aren't walking twigs than the Vogues and similar mags.
 
For me, it's not a question of ALL, it's a question of WHICH. Or to put it another way:

Co-worker brings in doughnuts from the shop downtown. You know the shop downtown has had some sanitation issues, including spit and snot and other bodily fluids making it into batter. Some people have gotten sick from those doughnuts. You even got sick from those doughnuts. When the shop owner was questioned about the doughnuts, all he could say was "well, not all our doughnuts were contaminated" over and over again, regardless of how many times he was questioned.
 
Kepler said:
Let's all take a step back, folks. Everybody is friends here. Don't make it personal please.
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Wow, wow, wow... You of all people are offended by personal attacks? Give me a (insert profane adjective) break. You have actually been the prime example of that on this thread, and consistently so.

It would be interesting -and maybe even helpful, even on this tiny scale- if we could all discuss the sea change that awaits this country, and whether or not this is the time to implement it.

The barbarians are at the gate in terms of this topic, and the far more salient one of voting rights. If they win in 2022/24, our democracy is screwed, possibly forever.
 
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MissThundercat said:
The last I checked, no one's making porn of disappointing pasty white cis men. The last I checked, your partners were using toys for satisfaction, NOT YOU.
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I happen to be sporting a lovely tennis-tan, my BMI is at 25, and The Warden only asks for the key to the toybox when I'm mired in a 4-hour Red Sox game.

You need to get less hateful/more fair with your comments. People on here handle you with kid gloves, but you're no better than anyone simply by dint of your gender orientation.
 
MissThundercat said:
For me, it's not a question of ALL, it's a question of WHICH. Or to put it another way:

Co-worker brings in doughnuts from the shop downtown. You know the shop downtown has had some sanitation issues, including spit and snot and other bodily fluids making it into batter. Some people have gotten sick from those doughnuts. You even got sick from those doughnuts. When the shop owner was questioned about the doughnuts, all he could say was "well, not all our doughnuts were contaminated" over and over again, regardless of how many times he was questioned.
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I mean, not ALL black people are criminals. It's just a question of which....

Again, this is a dangerous line of thinking here, and very MAGA-like. Sure the perspective is from the Left, but you're still using the same logic and it's unacceptable.
 
RaceBoarder said:
Again, this is a dangerous line of thinking here, and very MAGA-like. Sure the perspective is from the Left, but you're still using the same logic and it's unacceptable.
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There is one huge difference, though. In the case of MAGA and the Right more generally this flawed logic is used to reinforce stereotypes that have been enshrined in social practice and law and caused significant suffering to hundreds of millions of people. In OP and the Left more generally the flawed logic subverts stereotypes, "punches upwards," and hurts feewies.

Yes, it is sloppy thinking -- I wish everybody was smarter too. But the effect is very different. I'm not threatened as the target of this as a straight white cis male. Whereas an LGBTQ woman of color not only feels but literally is threatened by the fucking sociopathic dullards in the GQP.
 
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RaceBoarder said:
I mean, not ALL black people are criminals. It's just a question of which....

Again, this is a dangerous line of thinking here, and very MAGA-like. Sure the perspective is from the Left, but you're still using the same logic and it's unacceptable.
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Not all cis men send me pictures of their Johnson without my permission. Not all of them reduce me to a sexual fetish either.

But when I am inundated with this crap every day, it gets tiring and exhausting.

And inevitably, I'd rather drive past the doughnut shop and avoid eating anything from there rather than run the risk of getting sick again.
 
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