Future of the ccha????

[Shirtless Guy]

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So without waivers, only Atlantic Hockey, ECAC and Hockey East will have auto-bids in 2013-14? That would be another kick in the balls to the CCHA/WCHA.

As bigblue stated, the WCHA and CCHA will retain autobids as long as there are a minimum of 6 teams in the conference for the start of the 2013-14 season and 6 of those teams stick together for the 2013-14, 2014-15 seasons. The NCHC and B1G will not have autobids in 2013-14 and 2014-15 as far as I have heard.

 

[kingdobbs]

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So without waivers, only Atlantic Hockey, ECAC and Hockey East will have auto-bids in 2013-14? That would be another kick in the balls to the CCHA/WCHA.

Nope, the bid stays as long as they maintain five members (regardless of membership continuity) through the two years of grace period (13-14 and 14-15). If, during those two years, they have six, then the new group satisfies continuity of membership, and the bids stay. If they get their sixth team in time for 14-15, it will go: 13-15 autobid, 15-16 no bid (and perhaps a waiver), 16-17 autobid. If the sixth team comes in 15-16, or later, the league would need to wait the full two years.

EDIT to add:

The NCHC and B1G will not have autobids in 2013-14 and 2014-15 as far as I have heard.

By the rules, no. Neither one will satisfy continuity of membership.

Although the Big Whatever is a qualified autobid conference in every other sport they play (including the more substantial membership requirements for mens' basketball), the rules still say that the teams must have conducted conference play together in that sport. Penn State will have played nobody, Minnesota and Wisconsin only each other, and Michigan/MSU/OSU only in that group.

The same goes for the SuperFriends. An interesting side note, however: if a sixth WCHA team had been included in the league, then the league would satisfy continuity of membership (by 2013-14, UNO will have been a WCHA member for four years, and four is usually a larger number than two), and be immediately eligible for an automatic bid. It's under a similar understanding that any hypothetical future split of the Big East would occur (and why when the 16 team monster was created in 2005, the league agreed to stay united for five years, so that if the two leagues did split, both halves would stay autobid eligible no matter which one kept the Big East name).

 

[aparch]

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Much appreciated for the clarification.

 

[Montana WMU]

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I thought you would want to know that there are now 7 of us!

 

[UMICH]

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Am I to understand that the new BTHC will not receive an auto-bid to the NCAA's for at least two years after it has been established? I'm sure that this has been discussed here in-depth but I'm too lazy to look. IMO the commish found a loop-hole because 5 of the 6 teams are coming from well-established conferences so the BTHC will receive its auto-bid. Am I correct here? Boy, I guess I shouldn't take a vacation from this board with so much happening in college hockey...

 

[CHFAN222]

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Am I to understand that the new BTHC will not receive an auto-bid to the NCAA's for at least two years after it has been established? I'm sure that this has been discussed here in-depth but I'm too lazy to look. IMO the commish found a loop-hole because 5 of the 6 teams are coming from weell-established conferences so the BTHC will receive its auto-bid. Am I correct here? Boy, I guess I shouldn't take a vacation from this board with so much happening in college hockey...

From what I understand the B10 will in fact have an autobid right away. The two year thing only applies to one sport only conferences. So this will effect the new Premier League. I could be wrong though.

 

[kingdobbs]

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From what I understand the B10 will in fact have an autobid right away. The two year thing only applies to one sport only conferences. So this will effect the new Premier League. I could be wrong though.

31.3.4.4.1.1 Exception. A multi-sport conference that adds a conference-sponsored sport may be
considered for automatic qualification in that sport, provided the conference includes at least six active
Division I institutions that have conducted conference competition together at the Division I level in
the sport the preceding two years and the sport is sponsored by less than 50 percent of the Division I
membership. (Adopted: 4/27/06 effective 8/1/06)

The important portion has been bolded.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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From what I understand the B10 will in fact have an autobid right away. The two year thing only applies to one sport only conferences. So this will effect the new Premier League. I could be wrong though.

I'm pretty sure that's wrong:

Multi-Sport Conference. To be considered eligible for automatic qualification in a particular sport, a multi-sport conference must include six core institutions that satisfy continuity-of-membership.
For the purposes of this legislation, core refers to an institution that has been an active member of Division
I the eight preceding years. Further, the continuity-of-membership requirement shall be met only if a minimum of six core institutions have conducted conference competition together in Division I the preceding
two years in the applicable sport. There shall be no exceptions to the two-year period. Any new member
added to a conference that satisfies the continuity of membership requirements shall be immediately eligible
to represent the conference as the automatic qualifier. (Revised: 4/27/00, 10/00, 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04,
8/5/04

 

[bronconick]

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If the Big Ten has to worry about the lack of an auto-bid those two years, they probably should have rethought their cunning plan.

Michigan- "Did we really all just miss the tournament? Farking OHL stealing my goalies."
Wisconsin- "Apparently."
Michigan State- "I didn't realize beating Michigan Tech and Ferris State helped us out so much. Huh."
Minnesota- "Seriously. And who let Michigan State win the conference? I went from having a sold out NHL arena for my postseason tournament to playing in Munn? Goddammit."

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

if the big ten has to worry about the lack of an auto-bid those two years, they probably should have rethought their cunning plan.

Michigan- "did we really all just miss the tournament? Farking ohl stealing my goalies."
wisconsin- "wooohooo!!!!! Rose bowl!!!!!.......wait, hockey doesn't have bowls?"
michigan state- "i didn't realize beating michigan tech and ferris state helped us out so much. Huh."
minnesota- "seriously. And who let michigan state win the conference? I went from having a sold out nhl arena for my postseason tournament to playing in munn? Goddammit."

fyp.

 

[davyd83]

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Now we're in that dead time between the formation of the NCHC and the "decision" by Notre Dame. Something tells me that, based upon Notre Dame's relationship with NBC Sports, what NBC/Versus feels is in their best interest will sway which was Notre Dame goes. Quite frankly, the Boston market is probably more favorable to NBC than are Oxford, Denver, Omaha and Grand Forks. If Notre Dame goes to the NCHC, it's likely that Western Michigan goes too. But if Notre Dame goes to Hockey East, we could have another mini-feeding frenzy and Western could be left scrambling. Does HE take Western for a 12th team? Do they stay at 11? Do they add Army or Air Force to appease Notre Dame? Does the NCHC take WMU alone? Is there another school they can attract with the budget to fly on nearly all road trips? Would the WCHA accept Western? My guess with the WCHA is that they hold a spot open until Minnesota Moorhead declares if they are going to add for certain or not. If Moorhead is a go, is the 8th team Alaska? Western? Maybe LSSU? If Moorhead is no-go, which two come along? Or do they stay at 6? 7? I'd think that the CCHA is likely to add the "AHA 4" if, and it's a big IF, Alaska-Fairbanks heads to the WCHA. If they don't, I wouldn't necessarily bank on it. If that happens, now there's more chaos...could the CCHA still get Mercyhurst and Robert Morris and add Huntsville too? There's still alot of interesting things to happen...

 

[5hole]

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... I'd think that the CCHA is likely to add the "AHA 4" if, and it's a big IF, Alaska-Fairbanks heads to the WCHA. If they don't, I wouldn't necessarily bank on it. If that happens, now there's more chaos...could the CCHA still get Mercyhurst and Robert Morris and add Huntsville too? There's still alot of interesting things to happen...

If UAF heads to the WCHA, then it opens the door for the AHA-4, leaving three CCHA teams (assumes Western goes somewhere, likely to NCHC).

However, I do not see much chance of the AHA teams jumping if LSSU also leaves for the WCHA. I am confident that these AHA teams are not interested in finding themselves in a six-team league (BGSU + FSU + AHA4), especially to join with two programs that are a bit unstable themselves the last couple of years. Only way they consider that is if RIT and AFA also go along ... long shot IMHO.

As for UAH, I do not see them having much appeal until they can figure out how to secure a better working arrangement between the three parties in Huntsville (VBC, Havoc and UAH). The last season of CHA play, Niagara's visit included games on Fri-Sat but with 5:30 and 3:00 start times. UAH's schedule over the past few years is replete with games on Thursdays and Sundays and non-traditional start times (lots of afternoon games) because of conflicts with the Havoc. Very unappealing. I do enjoy the trip to H'ville and if they could get something done on the dates issue, I would support including them in a conference.

 

[davyd83]

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If UAF heads to the WCHA, then it opens the door for the AHA-4, leaving three CCHA teams (assumes Western goes somewhere, likely to NCHC).

However, I do not see much chance of the AHA teams jumping if LSSU also leaves for the WCHA. I am confident that these AHA teams are not interested in finding themselves in a six-team league (BGSU + FSU + AHA4), especially to join with two programs that are a bit unstable themselves the last couple of years. Only way they consider that is if RIT and AFA also go along ... long shot IMHO.

As for UAH, I do not see them having much appeal until they can figure out how to secure a better working arrangement between the three parties in Huntsville (VBC, Havoc and UAH). The last season of CHA play, Niagara's visit included games on Fri-Sat but with 5:30 and 3:00 start times. UAH's schedule over the past few years is replete with games on Thursdays and Sundays and non-traditional start times (lots of afternoon games) because of conflicts with the Havoc. Very unappealing. I do enjoy the trip to H'ville and if they could get something done on the dates issue, I would support including them in a conference.

I think that LSSU's only chance of getting into the WCHA is if Minnesota State-Moorhead says they will not be adding hockey AND Notre Dame and Western go to the NCHC. If Moorhead does indeed add, that means Fairbanks, Western or LSSU could go to the WCHA, and LSSU is probably the least attractive of the three. I wish that weren't the case. But UAF gives you a free road trip and two schedule exempt games and Western gives you a program with a new, but strong commitment to making the NCAA on a regular basis.

 

[darker98]

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Fairbanks, Western or LSSU could go to the WCHA, and LSSU is probably the least attractive of the three. I wish that weren't the case. But UAF gives you a free road trip and two schedule exempt games and Western gives you a program with a new, but strong commitment to making the NCAA on a regular basis.

I'm not exactly sure how the exemption works, but Anchorage already gives you the exemption and I do believe you cannot collect on 2 in the same year.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I'm not exactly sure how the exemption works, but Anchorage already gives you the exemption and I do believe you cannot collect on 2 in the same year.

We've been over this...you most certainly can get 4 exempt games if you play 2 @ Anchorage and 2 @ Fairbanks.

 

[darker98]

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We've been over this...you most certainly can get 4 exempt games if you play 2 @ Anchorage and 2 @ Fairbanks.

I have never been over this. I just thought I read once upon a time you couldn't that's all. That is why I mentioned that I do not know. Now that we've been over this I will know for future reference.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I have never been over this. I just thought I read once upon a time you couldn't that's all. That is why I mentioned that I do not know. Now that we've been over this I will know for future reference.

I just meant that it seems to be discussed over and over in one of these threads...not sure if it was mentioned previously in THIS thread. I'm pretty sure it was discussed in the Welcome back the the WCHA NMU thread...

 

[darker98]

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I just meant that it seems to be discussed over and over in one of these threads...not sure if it was mentioned previously in THIS thread. I'm pretty sure it was discussed in the Welcome back the the WCHA NMU thread...

Fair enough. I know i've heard UAA discuss it a lot, but as just a reason for them to be in your league. Now that it's possible for both Alaska schools to be in the same league I can see this coming up a lot.

 

[bronconick]

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The other problem with getting 4 additional games is figuring out who and when you're going to play those games. 38 games into the 22ish week college schedule probably involves very short X-mas breaks/games during exam weeks, etc.

 

[davyd83]

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The other problem with getting 4 additional games is figuring out who and when you're going to play those games. 38 games into the 22ish week college schedule probably involves very short X-mas breaks/games during exam weeks, etc.

It's really not a problem at all. It's not mandated that you have to use those games. It simply gives you the option to do so. You could make the two trips to Alaska and still play no more than your conference schedule should you so choose.