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Future of the ccha????
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Re: Future of the ccha????
You would have to leave no later than Wednesday for the first series, then you would be out the entire following week, missing 8 straight days of class. By taking two trips, You miss three days for each. Also, those schools on the last frontier that are paying big bucks to bring their opponents to Alaska are in no way going to want to move prime time weekend games to midweek, thereby losing significant revenue.
You would have to leave no later than Wednesday for the first series, then you would be out the entire following week, missing 8 straight days of class. By taking two trips, You miss three days for each. Also, those schools on the last frontier that are paying big bucks to bring their opponents to Alaska are in no way going to want to move prime time weekend games to midweek, thereby losing significant revenue.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Future of the ccha????
I don't think "missing" class is as big a deal as you think, especially when we're talking about once in a school year. Special arrangements can be made...certain programs can have their "alaska" trip scheduled over break, whether its spring, thanksgiving or winter.
Re: Future of the ccha????
The bigger part of it is convincing the Alaska schools that it's wiser to play on Wednesday and Thursday for half their home conference games. Good luck. Were you at those Tuesday night Tech-NMU games? And that's a big heated rivary. Picture the crowd in Fairbanks on a Wednesday night for a Tech-UA game. And as far as playing so many home games on break time, those are also low attendance times as well. I'm UAF AD Forrest Karr. Convince me what a good financial move it is to play so many games on weeknights and during breaks.
The bigger part of it is convincing the Alaska schools that it's wiser to play on Wednesday and Thursday for half their home conference games. Good luck. Were you at those Tuesday night Tech-NMU games? And that's a big heated rivary. Picture the crowd in Fairbanks on a Wednesday night for a Tech-UA game. And as far as playing so many home games on break time, those are also low attendance times as well. I'm UAF AD Forrest Karr. Convince me what a good financial move it is to play so many games on weeknights and during breaks.
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Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
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There is no point in convincing UAA & UAF to play games on Wednesday/Thursday...that doesn't save any class time. You're still traveling on friday so you still miss 8 days of class...the only way to save on class time is to move one of the friday/saturday series to saturday/sunday. As for breaks, we're talking about the road team's breaks...not the home team's breaks. Not every school takes thanksgiving week off, not every school has the same winter break, not every school has the same spring break week. I'm not talking about every year, but that would make it easier if every year the hockey team of a given school didn't miss 8 days of class for hockey. Granted I don't think this is that big of a deal with technology the way it is.
Re: Future of the ccha????
There are also NCAA limits on the number of days of class that can be missed.
There are also NCAA limits on the number of days of class that can be missed.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Future of the ccha????
If the alaska schools can do this once or twice a year, there is no reason the other WCHA schools can't get a waiver.
scsutommyboy
Frozen four or Bust!!
Re: Future of the ccha????
I know the CCHa has said they want a answer on who is staying and leaving by september, but does anybody know when NotreDame is going to decide? Once they decide then things can move forward.
I know the CCHa has said they want a answer on who is staying and leaving by september, but does anybody know when NotreDame is going to decide? Once they decide then things can move forward.
Back check
Registered User
Re: Future of the ccha????
http://www.sent-trib.com/bgsu-sports/ccha-wcha-talk-merger-08-03-11
Not a good scenario for UAH.
http://www.sent-trib.com/bgsu-sports/ccha-wcha-talk-merger-08-03-11
Not a good scenario for UAH.
Re: Future of the ccha????
Check with the NCAA on that one. The only waiver they get is for the 48 hour rule.
Check with the NCAA on that one. The only waiver they get is for the 48 hour rule.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
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If you do that kind of traveling for Alaska, why couldn't they just allow the students to use a distance learning facility at the respective school? If the true motive is classes, I'm sure you could get the NCAA to sign off on that sort of setup. We're in the 21st century; how many lecture halls these days could not be setup for some sort of distance learning?
If you do that kind of traveling for Alaska, why couldn't they just allow the students to use a distance learning facility at the respective school? If the true motive is classes, I'm sure you could get the NCAA to sign off on that sort of setup. We're in the 21st century; how many lecture halls these days could not be setup for some sort of distance learning?
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
Not to sound like uaafanblog, but if Alaska and UAA have done this for every roadtrip in the past, I can't think that limit would be reached for two, or even three trips in a season. Or at the very least, a waiver obtained.
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Its a valid point there that uaa has, plus, its not like they don't do pretty much the same thing for their other sports. Even with those sports mostly just having to take short hop to Seattle, their basketball teams have got to miss a ton of actual class time. If those players had something like a lab they need for a class, it would be pretty dang impossible to make it to that lab all the time, without making several arrangements with their profs beforehand to make up those labs.
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If teams don't need that waiver now, why would the NCAA grant one in the future? The point is moot anyway. Neither UAA or UAF is going to play weeknight games and lose the revenue they get on the weekend.
If teams don't need that waiver now, why would the NCAA grant one in the future? The point is moot anyway. Neither UAA or UAF is going to play weeknight games and lose the revenue they get on the weekend.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Future of the ccha????
I NEVER SUGGESTED WEEKNIGHT GAMES! I mentioned that the suggestion of weekday games is pretty stupid if it doesn't actually save class days...The only way to save class days is to push back the games on the first weekend which also seems unlikely unless UAA/UAF is willing to play saturday/sunday so teams can leave thursday instead of wednesday. I think a lower 48 team can leave for UAA/UAF like they normally would on a wednesday to play Friday/Saturday then stay in Alaska somewhere all week taking classes remotely and planning to make up labs or whatever else they have to (I would think coaches would even go so far to suggest not taking lab courses during the effected semester). The team in question would then travel to the other city at some point to prepare for the other series on the following Friday/Saturday. UAA/UAF do this at least once each during the season. There is no reason that MTU/SCSU/MSUM/NMU/BSU can't do this ONCE a season as well. IF UAA/UAF don't "miss too many classes" then there is no way that the lower 48 schools will miss too many. The one question I do wonder is if playing 38 regular season games every year might put them over the "limit" of if the NCAA has other silly rules about the certain number of required idle weekends? I really don't know where to find these kinds of rules.
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Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Future of the ccha????
Sean
I use the downloadable <a href=http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D110.pdf>NCAA Division I Manual</a>. Playing and practice seasons are under bylaw 17, with the specifics for ice hockey season under bylaw 17.12.
Sean
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Future of the ccha????
I didn't think there were any NCAA rules, but that isn't to say there isn't some league or institution rule. In the ECAC, many of the schools take specific weekends off because of final exams, and that's the school's choice. Hockey East I thought I remembered reading had some rules about when teams play games. It still counts against the 25-week limit, as many of the schools use the Christmas break as the separation between the two "halves" of the season. I believe one of the Alaska schools has extended that "break" (and won't practice for an extra week around that time, subsequently), which is why they're able to play Wasila in September.
I didn't think there were any NCAA rules, but that isn't to say there isn't some league or institution rule. In the ECAC, many of the schools take specific weekends off because of final exams, and that's the school's choice. Hockey East I thought I remembered reading had some rules about when teams play games. It still counts against the 25-week limit, as many of the schools use the Christmas break as the separation between the two "halves" of the season. I believe one of the Alaska schools has extended that "break" (and won't practice for an extra week around that time, subsequently), which is why they're able to play Wasila in September.
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Future of the ccha????
(from Figure 17-2 of the <a href=http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D110.pdf>NCAA Division I Manual</a>)
Ice Hockey
First Practice Date Men’s: October 1, 2011
First Contest Date or Date of Competition: October 1, 2011
End of Regular Playing Season: Last day of final exams
Sean
Playing in September is a clear violation of NCAA bylaws:
(from Figure 17-2 of the <a href=http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D110.pdf>NCAA Division I Manual</a>)
Ice Hockey
First Practice Date Men’s: October 1, 2011
First Contest Date or Date of Competition: October 1, 2011
End of Regular Playing Season: Last day of final exams
Sean
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Future of the ccha????
17.28.1 Practice and Playing Seasons. Member institutions located in Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico shall
not be required to observe the starting dates for the practice and playing seasons set forth in this bylaw, provided the
amount of practice and number of contests engaged in by such institutions in each sport do not exceed the amount of
practice and number of contests in each sport permitted other members of the Association.
Schools in alaska have a different schedule due to all the extra travel time required...they can most certainly start practice before October 1
17.28.1 Practice and Playing Seasons. Member institutions located in Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico shall
not be required to observe the starting dates for the practice and playing seasons set forth in this bylaw, provided the
amount of practice and number of contests engaged in by such institutions in each sport do not exceed the amount of
practice and number of contests in each sport permitted other members of the Association.
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