Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Future of the ccha????
Sean
Thanks for the correction, I missed the exemption.
Sean
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Future of the ccha????
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Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
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Actually it sounds like the "waiver" already exists:
Sounds to me like the NCAA is more than willing to let Lower 48 schools to spend an entire week in Alaska right now...
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The waiver you are showing here is the waiver of the 48 hour rule. If Tech is playing at North Dakota with an 8pm ET start on Friday, they are not permitted to leave for the game any earlier than 8pm on Wednesday. This rule does not apply to Alaska or Hawaii travel, and I had stated that in an earlier post.
That being said, many schools ignore the 48 hour rule or bend it by several hours on longer trips. There are no other waivers than that for Alaska. It doesn't matter if you are going to Marquette or Grand Forks. As for the number of missed class days allowed, I believe the number is 10 per semester, and if you change the rule for hockey, then it's gotta be changed for baseball, football, gymnastics, cross country and football too. The proposed leave one Wednesday, return the following Sunday model doesn't make sense for anyone. The Alaska schools aren't going to cost themselves revenue by playing of Thursday or Sunday. The visiting schools aren't going to want two extra days of hotel and meal expenses. As far as the idea of "distance learning," those do not qualify. A day off campus is a day off campus.
The waiver you are showing here is the waiver of the 48 hour rule. If Tech is playing at North Dakota with an 8pm ET start on Friday, they are not permitted to leave for the game any earlier than 8pm on Wednesday. This rule does not apply to Alaska or Hawaii travel, and I had stated that in an earlier post.
That being said, many schools ignore the 48 hour rule or bend it by several hours on longer trips. There are no other waivers than that for Alaska. It doesn't matter if you are going to Marquette or Grand Forks. As for the number of missed class days allowed, I believe the number is 10 per semester, and if you change the rule for hockey, then it's gotta be changed for baseball, football, gymnastics, cross country and football too. The proposed leave one Wednesday, return the following Sunday model doesn't make sense for anyone. The Alaska schools aren't going to cost themselves revenue by playing of Thursday or Sunday. The visiting schools aren't going to want two extra days of hotel and meal expenses. As far as the idea of "distance learning," those do not qualify. A day off campus is a day off campus.
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
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Sean
I believe that Shirtless Guy has already asked, but I will also ask. Please cite your source for this statement. I can't find it in the NCAA DI Manual, but then I've already proven I'm not the best person for searching for information in it.
Sean
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I'm with Sean and Shirtless--what's your source?
I do not think any such policy exists. Here is NCAA Bylaw 3.2.4.14: "Active members are obligated to establish policies in all sports concerning student-athletes’ missed class time due to participation in intercollegiate athletics and in athletics competition scheduled during final examination periods."
Why would the NCAA have a rule requiring each school to have a policy regarding missed classes if the NCAA has a general policy for all schools?
I'm with Sean and Shirtless--what's your source?
I do not think any such policy exists. Here is NCAA Bylaw 3.2.4.14: "Active members are obligated to establish policies in all sports concerning student-athletes’ missed class time due to participation in intercollegiate athletics and in athletics competition scheduled during final examination periods."
Why would the NCAA have a rule requiring each school to have a policy regarding missed classes if the NCAA has a general policy for all schools?
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It was what I was told by a coach. However, you may be correct on the NCAA. But even if it is up to each school individually, if you give the hockey team two more days, then you have to do the same for basketball, field hockey, lacrosse and soccer. And like I said, the point is moot, because its not going to happen. It is a bad idea financially for everyone involved.
I believe that Shirtless Guy has already asked, but I will also ask. Please cite your source for this statement. I can't find it in the NCAA DI Manual, but then I've already proven I'm not the best person for searching for information in it.
Sean
It was what I was told by a coach. However, you may be correct on the NCAA. But even if it is up to each school individually, if you give the hockey team two more days, then you have to do the same for basketball, field hockey, lacrosse and soccer. And like I said, the point is moot, because its not going to happen. It is a bad idea financially for everyone involved.
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
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Don't northern baseball teams skip weeks at a time for the first part of the season?
Don't northern baseball teams skip weeks at a time for the first part of the season?
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
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Sean
I believe that some used to decades ago, they no longer do so. See Shirtless Guy's post which quotes NCAA DI Bylaw 16.8.1.2.1.
Sean
FlagDUDE08
Banned
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Some mechanism has to be in place for the student to make up what was missed. That's going to vary from school to school.
Some mechanism has to be in place for the student to make up what was missed. That's going to vary from school to school.
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Does anyone know if the Sept. 30 deadline to withdraw from the CCHA is still on the table? If so have Western Michigan, Bowling Green and Notre Dame officially withdrawn yet? If they have not, will they be barred from withdrawing without penalty later on? If they don't withdraw, very highly unlikely, but could the 3 be the start of a revived CCHA now that all of the outliers are gone(UA,NMU,LSSU, and to a lesser extent Ferris State)?
Does anyone know if the Sept. 30 deadline to withdraw from the CCHA is still on the table? If so have Western Michigan, Bowling Green and Notre Dame officially withdrawn yet? If they have not, will they be barred from withdrawing without penalty later on? If they don't withdraw, very highly unlikely, but could the 3 be the start of a revived CCHA now that all of the outliers are gone(UA,NMU,LSSU, and to a lesser extent Ferris State)?
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Given that its just going to be those three teams left as of now, I really don't think that Sept. 30th deadline really has any teeth. Of course, shedding themselves of LSSU and Ferris, the idea of trying to talk 4 AHA schools and Alabama into an conference that would be full scholarship and with an autobid right off the bat might have some merits. Wasn't it the idea of having to go to Alaska pretty much the deal-breaker for the AHA-breakaway 4??? One would have to think that would be a tempting offer to those schools if the Irish want to have a conference they would be in total control over, and would be in a prime position to snag Syracuse or Kentucky should they ever get a big money bag donor to build em a rink and fund a program.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
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I prefer to think that Syracuse getting a donation to start a men's program will merely be the start of the BEHC fiasco.
I prefer to think that Syracuse getting a donation to start a men's program will merely be the start of the BEHC fiasco.
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Eh, at least we would get a college hockey video game out of it I bet.
Wouldn't that just be a total cluster----???
Eh, at least we would get a college hockey video game out of it I bet.
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While I think losing Alaska and LSSU would have been big for the CCHA wooing the AHA4, I think losing Ferris hurt their case. The eastern CCHA/western AHA merger really rested on a razor's edge balance of geographic considerations versus live bodies. Losing Ferris probably tipped the major problem for the AHA4 being stability rather than travel.
The big loser, as always, is UAH.
While I think losing Alaska and LSSU would have been big for the CCHA wooing the AHA4, I think losing Ferris hurt their case. The eastern CCHA/western AHA merger really rested on a razor's edge balance of geographic considerations versus live bodies. Losing Ferris probably tipped the major problem for the AHA4 being stability rather than travel.
The big loser, as always, is UAH.
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I don't think stability would be a problem, provided Norte Dame wants to do this. You would have the Irish, WMU, BGSU, Huntsville, and the 4 AHA's, for a nice figure of 8 schools in a reformed CCHA. Then you have a league that's pretty stable as long as ND football isn't painted into a corner and forced to join the Big Ten. As long as they're able to get into the BCS as an Indy and they have that NBC contract, there's not a whole lot of a need to worry about that for the little seven of those schools.
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I was assuming Notre Dame had no interest. That, combined with the recent rumors out of UAH, the near shuttering of BGSU's program a year or so ago, and WMU's very public aspirations, make it difficult for the AHA4 to jump. One would have to be pretty optimistic to think that a 7-8 team reformed CCHA in 2013 wouldn't shrink to 5 or 6 in only a year or two. That said, I'm pulling for the reformed CCHA scenario anyways.
I was assuming Notre Dame had no interest. That, combined with the recent rumors out of UAH, the near shuttering of BGSU's program a year or so ago, and WMU's very public aspirations, make it difficult for the AHA4 to jump. One would have to be pretty optimistic to think that a 7-8 team reformed CCHA in 2013 wouldn't shrink to 5 or 6 in only a year or two. That said, I'm pulling for the reformed CCHA scenario anyways.
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That just isn't even a remote possibility. ND is long gone. BGSU and Western are heading for the exits too, but just for fun, let's pretend they don't leave. So you get to a seven team league with BGSU, Western, the Atlantic 4, and Huntsville. That league would be a complete a mess in terms of geography, similarity of member schools, and competitiveness. And I have no idea who the 8th school would be. Are we waiting for Miami to come crawling back from the NCHC? Unlikely, and clearly not by 2013. There is no possible way either BGSU or Western even consider this option. They are going to the NCHC or to the WCHA.
The CCHA is done. Good riddance.
That just isn't even a remote possibility. ND is long gone. BGSU and Western are heading for the exits too, but just for fun, let's pretend they don't leave. So you get to a seven team league with BGSU, Western, the Atlantic 4, and Huntsville. That league would be a complete a mess in terms of geography, similarity of member schools, and competitiveness. And I have no idea who the 8th school would be. Are we waiting for Miami to come crawling back from the NCHC? Unlikely, and clearly not by 2013. There is no possible way either BGSU or Western even consider this option. They are going to the NCHC or to the WCHA.
The CCHA is done. Good riddance.
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That is unless Syracuse gets swooped up by the ACC when they expand to 16 teams along with Rutgers, UCONN, and Texas.
That is unless Syracuse gets swooped up by the ACC when they expand to 16 teams along with Rutgers, UCONN, and Texas.
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Have to disagree with the part in bold type. It would be even more compact than the former CCHA geography wise as Alaska and Northern Michigan and in most cases LSSU were certainly further away than any of the possible newcomers for the remaining 3. As far as similarity in member schools it would be much more alike in that all would be Division 1 schools except Mercyhurst and not sure about UAH. Niagara, Canisius and Robert Morris are all D1 whille NMU, LSSU and FSU were not. BGSU to the new WCHA makes no sense if they are the only D1 program there. Also with Notre Dame you would have 4 Catholic schools: UND, Niagara, Canisius and Mercyhurst. As far as competitiveness, those upper level AHA teams can certainly compete with those teams, especially if they can up their scholarships to 18. There is not a single league that does not have a couple of dominant programs and a doormat or two, so a revised CCHA would actually be quite similar to the other leagues.