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Fun Prevention: Red Sox 2010 season thread part 1

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amherstblackbear said:
Boston put a waiver claim on Johnny Damon?

Interesting. Will have to watch and see how this plays out.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp..._id=13820378&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
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Damon also said he DOES NOT want to play for Boston, and his GM said that he is inclined to honor the wishes of Damon. We'll see how it plays out. It may have been a move to block Tampa from getting Damon.

Manny is also rumored to being on, or being placed on Waivers, and may end up in Tampa by the weekend.
 
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ScottK said:
As I was saying to someone else today, it's not always the trades you make, sometimes, it's the ones you don't make.

How many people were upset 2 offseasons ago when Theo refused to trade Lester, Buchholz and Ellsbury for Johan Santana?

How many people thought Theo should have traded Buchholz for anything last year to help the offense?

Better yet, how many people wanted Theo to give Ortiz his outright release at the end of April this season?

We can criticize the bad moves all day, but let's give him some credit for the moves he didn't make.
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My biggest problem is with the outfield, but overall Epstein's done an excellent job. JD Drew has an inexcusable contact for a .270 hitter (who also happens to be a statsnerds' wet dream from some reason) and I thought they were expecting a little more out of Cameron than he would be able to give (although I wasn't predicting him missing the season). You need your outfield to hit and this one because of injuries, etc isn't giving them what they need. Even more so than the bullpen (if they'd condition the starters to go 8 like Nolan Ryan is trying to do in Texas, you'd have a situation where the only reliever most teams would be seeng is either Bard or Papelbon), they need a top notch hitter out there to go with Youk, Pedroia, Beltre, and Ortiz. Its sorta the role that Manny Ramirez used to fill and what they tried to get with Texiera. That needs to be corrected next season. How about Drew for Pujols one up? ;)
 
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Rover said:
My biggest problem is with the outfield, but overall Epstein's done an excellent job. JD Drew has an inexcusable contact for a .270 hitter (who also happens to be a statsnerds' wet dream from some reason) and I thought they were expecting a little more out of Cameron than he would be able to give (although I wasn't predicting him missing the season). You need your outfield to hit and this one because of injuries, etc isn't giving them what they need. Even more so than the bullpen (if they'd condition the starters to go 8 like Nolan Ryan is trying to do in Texas, you'd have a situation where the only reliever most teams would be seeng is either Bard or Papelbon), they need a top notch hitter out there to go with Youk, Pedroia, Beltre, and Ortiz. Its sorta the role that Manny Ramirez used to fill and what they tried to get with Texiera. That needs to be corrected next season. How about Drew for Pujols one up? ;)
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I dont know how much more of Drew you can ask for? He will never be a 30/120 guy. He is a .270-.290 hitter that goes on streaks. Most likely a 15-25 home run guy for a season. I dont understand what people are looking for out of Drew? He came in hyped as a guy that will miss over half the season at least every other year. He has, for the most part, stayed healthy enough to contribute.

Seriously, other than a little bit of a slump THIS season, his average for the Sox has been pretty average for his career.
 
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NMU8405 said:
Damon also said he DOES NOT want to play for Boston, and his GM said that he is inclined to honor the wishes of Damon. We'll see how it plays out. It may have been a move to block Tampa from getting Damon.

Manny is also rumored to being on, or being placed on Waivers, and may end up in Tampa by the weekend.
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Then the Sox will put a claim in for Manny too, just to block Tampa from getting him.

No way Manny ever returns to Boston, but I'd rather see him in Chicago than Tampa.
 
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NMU8405 said:
I dont know how much more of Drew you can ask for? I dont understand what people are looking for out of Drew?
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Maybe something more in line with the amount of money he's being paid? I think that has something to do with it.
 
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thecomicbookguy said:
Maybe something more in line with the amount of money he's being paid? I think that has something to do with it.
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All I saw in that was hitting, and nothing connected with his salary. You cant fault the guy or Theo for offering that to him. He has preformed on par for the Sox, and the benefit of a team with such a great fanbase, we can afford to slightly overpay for players to have them play in Boston. If other fans/cities dont like it, support your team or tell other fans to do so.
 
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NMU8405 said:
All I saw in that was hitting, and nothing connected with his salary. You cant fault the guy or Theo for offering that to him. He has preformed on par for the Sox, and the benefit of a team with such a great fanbase, we can afford to slightly overpay for players to have them play in Boston. If other fans/cities dont like it, support your team or tell other fans to do so.
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"JD Drew has an inexcusable contact for a .270 hitter..."

2nd sentence of his post.

127 - I think Rover was criticizing the people who gave him that contract.

I think people have an issue with Drew based on the amount of money the Red Sox threw at him.
 
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thecomicbookguy said:
"JD Drew has an inexcusable contact for a .270 hitter..."

2nd sentence of his post.

127 - I think Rover was criticizing the people who gave him that contract.

I think people have an issue with Drew based on the amount of money the Red Sox threw at him.
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I think he was referring to Drew's contact with the ball, or lackthereof for a .270 hitter? I dont see anything about money in there.
 
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NMU8405 said:
I think he was referring to Drew's contact with the ball, or lackthereof for a .270 hitter? I dont see anything about money in there.
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Huh. I read that as "contract", since the phrase "an inexcusable contact" makes no sense.

In any case, you will find that the majority of Red Sox fans dislike the Drew signing because the Sox threw a ton of money at a guy who just wasn't worth it.
 
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Some mistakes are worse than others. It's hard to argue that the Renteria signing wasn't unlucky. Lugo, on the other hand...

Drew isn't Lugo. Not by any stretch. I think some folks are upset with Epstein as much for continuing to defend the Drew deal as for signing him to that contract in the first place. But what is he supposed to do? It's not as if they can move him, so what's the point in backpedaling from the deal? Nothing good can come of that.
 
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ScottK said:
How many people were upset 2 offseasons ago when Theo refused to trade Lester, Buchholz and Ellsbury for Johan Santana?
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most likely no one.. minnesota was making absurd demands. and the trade would have included those guys you mentioned as well as jed lowrie and michael bowden. so it was a relative no brainer that theo would decline their counter offer.

fact of the matter is that he was d*mn lucky that minnesota TURNED DOWN his first offer of lester, ellsbury, lowrie and bowden. so i'm not sure he necessarily should be praised for minnesota's incompetence.
 
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NMU8405 said:
P.S. Bill "God" Bellicheck signed Adalius Thomas, and that didnt work out...nobody got all up in arms over that. Both GMs have won multiple titles. Stop the double standard
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comparing football to baseball is stupid on so many levels.. 1) football has a salary cap, 2) football doesn't have a farm team, 3) football is much more system based than personnel based, 4) rosters are larger, and 5) non-guaranteed contracts to say the least.

all that said, belicheck does get considerable flak from the media on his poor personnel moves (most notably the ratio of drafted players not making the roster). there havent been too many big signings that misfire (other than thomas, galloway?) because you can just cut your mistakes. but the criticism is there. the other hot button over the fall of the dynasty (maybe more skepticism that may lead to criticism) is letting the key players walk year after year (finally stopped with wilfork maybe?) and the ultimate talent dilution on defense that has been caused by that.

further the AFC east has been far easier competitively than the AL east is. so the just make the playoffs plan is far easier to accomplish for BB in football.
 
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There's no chance now, but this is significantly less of a bummer than the awful 2006 season. At least they tried this time and didn't use injuries as an excuse for folding their tent and having a pity party. The two teams above them in the standings were going to be tough to beat even at full strength...

and maybe this will get rid of the ******* mother*****ing Pink Hats once and for all.
 
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I'm glad I went to a game last week when they still had hope. :eek:

A healthy Youk and Pedroia certainly would have helped, but I don't know if the Sox had the horses this year either way. That outfield was lackluster even if they all remained healthy, which was a stretch of an assumption.

They need one more bat from the OF and Beckett really needs to get his head out of his @ ss. Tired of waiting for him to put together another 2007 season.
 
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Perfect end here to prolong the agony of the season
 
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