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Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

Well, if those photos clearly show he was attacked then I agree that changes everything including my perspective on the case. But, I would like to know why the police didn't collect his gun or these photographs at the scene. Heck, in a police shooting a police officer has his gun taken as evidence.

Whoever is guilty here it is clear the police in Florida are morons and anyone who lives there does so at their own risk.
I'm not for a moment defending the police work in this case; however, I DO think it's appropriate that a police officer involved in a shooting would be held under even greater scrutiny than an ordinary citizen would be.
 
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

I'm not for a moment defending the police work in this case; however, I DO think it's appropriate that a police officer involved in a shooting would be held under even greater scrutiny than an ordinary citizen would be.

I fail to see the difference. The standard should be exactly the same.
 
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I guess this means Zimmermans family doctor is lying sack of ****

Yeah, and willing to put his license and freedom on the line for a patient? Please, let us recall, at the time of Zimmerman's visit to his doctor, this case had not become a huge media cause celebre. Zimmerman probably told his doctor how he sustained those injuries. But at that time this case wasn't the lead item in all newscasts, with His Panderness and all his little pals stirring up racial animosities. So what would have been his motive to fake records?
 
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

Yeah, and willing to put his license and freedom on the line for a patient? Please, let us recall, at the time of Zimmerman's visit to his doctor, this case had not become a huge media cause celebre. Zimmerman probably told his doctor how he sustained those injuries. But at that time this case wasn't the lead item in all newscasts, with His Panderness and all his little pals stirring up racial animosities. So what would have been his motive to fake records?

What is the police's motive to not collect proper evidence?
 
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

There's a good chance he will get off. But stand yr ground will let go free many that the vast majority of America deems to be a murderer.

Frankly Bob, I don't understand how a Christian can condone a mentally challenged Adkins getting killed in cold blood and having it so his admitted murderer not even given a chance at justice. The whole concept of gun escalation to arbitrate an altercation doesn't seem very Christian to me.

Several of us have endeavored to point out that your monomania on the Adkins case does not automatically validate your claims that "many that the vast majority of America deems to be a murderer" will go free. Repeating this delusion does not make it valid. How is it you know what the vast majority of Americans are thinking, about anything? And you know how they're thinking on hypothetical cases in the future. And you know that "many" "murderers" are going to get away with it because of stand your ground. Apart from the voices in your head, you got even an atom of evidence to support those assertions?

Let's just say we agree with you entirely, that the Adkins case was a gross miscarriage of justice. Does that have anything at all to do with the case we're discussing here (apart from the abstract concept of stand your ground)?

On a personal note, I'd do everything possible to avoid injecting religion into this matter. It's totally inappropriate, IMO. No one has "condoned" what happened in that case. To say otherwise is at variance with the truth, and you know it.
 
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What is the police's motive to not collect proper evidence?


How do you know they didn't? And just how familiar are you with the Florida protocols for investigating homicides?
 
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what I would like to know ... why has this case been released to - or by - the media in drips and drops? within a week after the police and prosecutors knew the basic facts. they had photos, forensics, witnesses, etc.
when I first heard of this case it went like this - black kid shot in the back by white man in upscale gated community. then pictures of the cute little 12 old. then it wasn't upscale anymore. then the white guy is hispanic. the kid isn't a kid anymore. there was a cellphone call. or not. there were witnesses. or not.
my point is - why has this been allowed to turn into a media circus by the painfully slow release of information?

Early on, there was a co-ordinated PR effort led by the lawyers and media advisors for the parents. Most of that early reporting reflected the family spin. Such as the initial release of the surveillance video at the police station (which didn't appear to show any injuries to Zimmerman) and the subsequent "oops, now we have an "enhanced" verson that clearly shows something out of the ordinary on the back of his head." There are numerous other examples.

Think back to the repeated (and continuing) use of what appear to be 7th grade pictures of Martin. We know there are other photos. But for weeks all we saw was this smiling little boy. At the time of his death, Martin was over 6 feet tall and weighed in the neighorhood of 150-160 pounds. No longer a little boy. Yet the constant use of those photos helped reinforce the narrative that "this innocent black child, who was only getting some "Skillets" was gunned down by a racist "white Hispanic" who profiled him, followed him, and shot him." Despite the obvious efforts to sell this narrative, and my doubts that it's true, it's possible. Presumably the trial will help us make up our minds.

Similarly, that booking photo of Zimmerman from several years ago, made him look very bad. We were informed (repeatedly) that Zimmerman vastly outweighed Martin (thus casting doubt on his claim that Martin attacked him-- especially if he was that little boy). That turns out not to be true, of course, but who noticed? NBC and other networks chipped in too, with phony stories and maliciously edited audio.

The repeated media use of the phrase "gated community" was deliberate, and designed to advance the anti-Zimmerman narrative. "Gated community" conjurs up wealth, exclusivity and whiteness. Except none of that is true here. They evidently have gates, but the ratio of whites to minorities is around 50/50 and lots of folks are renting and do not own their apartments. So the notion that the rich, white residents of that property turned a racist gun toting monster loose to shoot an N-word on spec, is simply not true.
 
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Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

Well, if those photos clearly show he was attacked then I agree that changes everything including my perspective on the case. But, I would like to know why the police didn't collect his gun or these photographs at the scene. Heck, in a police shooting a police officer has his gun taken as evidence.

Whoever is guilty here it is clear the police in Florida are morons and anyone who lives there does so at their own risk.

It's good to have your vast experience and knowledge of police procedures available as a resource. As well as your rock solid knowledge that whatever the protocols are, the investigating officers didn't follow them.
 
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On a personal note, I'd do everything possible to avoid injecting religion into this matter. It's totally inappropriate, IMO. No one has "condoned" what happened in that case. To say otherwise is at variance with the truth, and you know it.
Thank you.
 
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And you make my case when you refer to the Duke lacrosse players as "privileged." Don't forget, they were also white and jocks, too. Sort of hitting for the left wing bigotry cycle. After that case collapsed and was shown to be a huge miscarriage of justice, some of our die hard posters continued to suggest "they must have done something wrong." And the fact that you dismiss that case by referring to them as "privileged" kinda gives away the store, don't you think? The Slap Shot Theorem: "Black kids of modest means getting some "Skillets" deserve justice, "privileged" white jocks, not so much."

I don't consider the Duke players as, "privileged" it was a reference to the media hogtie, and I also hold no such theorems. afaik I know Zimmerman is innocent, but unlike you I haven't my mind up about the subject. If you'd shut-up long enough to actually read and take in what someone else said instead of going off Pavlovian style you might actually comprehend others are not the liberal boogeyman nor Obama lemming you automatically assume them to be.
 
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

I don't consider the Duke players as, "privileged" it was a reference to the media hogtie, and I also hold no such theorems. afaik I know Zimmerman is innocent, but unlike you I haven't my mind up about the subject. If you'd shut-up long enough to actually read and take in what someone else said instead of going off Pavlovian style you might actually comprehend others are not the liberal boogeyman nor Obama lemming you automatically assume them to be.

Blah, blah, blah. I'm not responsible for your sloppy writing. Found the pony yet?
 
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You are responsible for being gutless and I'm not going anywhere near your bedroom.

Gutless? For disagreeing with you and your bull sh*t? Je le doute. Why is it with you guys ("I'm not a liberal and I haven't made up my mind about Zimmerman's guilt") your fall back position is always personal?
 
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Gutless? For disagreeing with you and your bull sh*t?

No, for refusing to admit your assumption was wrong and instead blaming it on someone else's, 'writing style'. Tom Smykowski has some mats that are right up your alley.



[edit] If that's a shot of Zimmerman and a result of said head-slamming it makes his case compelling at least from the outside looking in.
 
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Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

No, for refusing to admit your assumption was wrong and instead blaming it on someone else's, 'writing style'. Tom Smykowski has some mats that are right up your alley.



[edit] If that's a shot of Zimmerman and a result of said head-slamming it makes his case compelling at least from the outside looking in.

You know, if you'd been careful enough to use quotation marks around "privileged" in your description of Duke LAX players, we wouldn't have had this problem. Why don't you invest in a copy of Strunk and White, I think it might help. And I'll roll up my Tom Symkowski mats. :)

It becomes harder every day (except for 5MM Major) to credit the initial narrative of this case. What really happened, and what will happen in court are two entirely different matters. I can't imagine a jury convicting him of murder. There's simply no evidence that it was. Manslaughter. Maybe. The irony is this didn't have to happen. How about if Martin, when allegedly asked "what are you doing here?" said "I'm staying with my dad and Ms. Jones in unit 235? How hard would that have been? Sad.

If I were a property owner and my tennants wanted a security patrol I would comply with the relevant statutes, but I certainly wouldn't want anybody out there armed. Two man patrols would be better.
 
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Something to consider, given that we don't actually know what happened. If Zimmerman got out of his car, approached Martin and drew his gun, would Martin not have a pretty legit self-defense case for punching Zimmerman in the nose? And is there evidence that he did more than hit Zimmerman once?

I'm not saying this is what happened, because I obviously don't know what happened, but for those who feel that the fact that Zimmerman was injured proves he did nothing wrong, what if the reason he was injured is because he drew a gun on someone who wasn't going to be bullied? And I really do think it's important to remember that there is no one who can actually speak up for Martin.

That said, it's hard to imagine convicting Zimmerman, at least based on what evidence has been released to the media. There seems to be plenty of room for reasonable doubt.
 
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How about if Martin, when allegedly asked "what are you doing here?" said "I'm staying with my dad and Ms. Jones in unit 235?
I am not criticizing your point, because you're not wrong, but when I was 17, my answer to that question would have been something along the lines of "None of your GD business."
 
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

I am not criticizing your point, because you're not wrong, but when I was 17, my answer to that question would have been something along the lines of "None of your GD business."

Stay away from Florida.
 
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