walrus
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Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
I guess this means Zimmermans family doctor is lying sack of ****
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Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
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Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
I fell 13 days ago on a wet floor-1st degree sprain of the left ankle and a hyperextension of the left knee. I have a great nurse at home who iced the injury down and wrapped me. I did not appreciate any visible bruising for about 4 days but it sure as heck looks horrible now. I am not sure even now though that it would show up well on a video or a picture-but up close and personal it sure stands out. Bruising is a difficult thing to quantify at best since it depends greatly on the area involved, the nature of the injury and the amount of vascularity of the area. Loose tissue swells quickly and blood vessels tear easily-hence the rapid development of the black eye shiners.
I fell 13 days ago on a wet floor-1st degree sprain of the left ankle and a hyperextension of the left knee. I have a great nurse at home who iced the injury down and wrapped me. I did not appreciate any visible bruising for about 4 days but it sure as heck looks horrible now. I am not sure even now though that it would show up well on a video or a picture-but up close and personal it sure stands out. Bruising is a difficult thing to quantify at best since it depends greatly on the area involved, the nature of the injury and the amount of vascularity of the area. Loose tissue swells quickly and blood vessels tear easily-hence the rapid development of the black eye shiners.
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
Sounds like Zimmermans already got his verdict on this board.
He should just drop the 'stand yr ground' defense and face the justice that most of America recognizes. Its no wonder that many Americans don't expect and may not see any justice out of this process.
Sounds like Zimmermans already got his verdict on this board.
He should just drop the 'stand yr ground' defense and face the justice that most of America recognizes. Its no wonder that many Americans don't expect and may not see any justice out of this process.
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
Alan Dershowitz puts it this way:
"“A jury that’s not afraid of causing a riot, an objective jury, is not going to convict somebody of second degree murder after his nose was broken, eyes blackened, and his head banged against the ground,” he says."
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0516/Report-Trayvon-Martin-beat-bloodied-George-Zimmerman.-Game-changer
You're the one who sounds like they've made their mind up already. When you cut through the media hysteria, this case was going to be very hard to win for the prosecution from the start, and things like this medical report make the uphill slog even harder for the prosecution. I don't see anybody saying they like Zimmerman. At the very least, he used bad judgment that night and contributed to how the events unfolded. But, to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed second-degree murder is a whole different ballgame and I see a lot of reasons to think there's reasonable doubt, unless the prosecution has something major up their sleeve we don't know about.
Alan Dershowitz puts it this way:
"“A jury that’s not afraid of causing a riot, an objective jury, is not going to convict somebody of second degree murder after his nose was broken, eyes blackened, and his head banged against the ground,” he says."
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0516/Report-Trayvon-Martin-beat-bloodied-George-Zimmerman.-Game-changer
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
Unlike you and your ilk, some of us have to yet convict him. I believe in this country there is a presumption of "innocence until proven guilty." The media and folks like you had convicted him the first day. Others have said "wait until the case is made before conviction or vindication."
Unlike you and your ilk, some of us have to yet convict him. I believe in this country there is a presumption of "innocence until proven guilty." The media and folks like you had convicted him the first day. Others have said "wait until the case is made before conviction or vindication."
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
There's a good chance he will get off. But stand yr ground will let go free many that the vast majority of America deems to be a murderer.
Frankly Bob, I don't understand how a Christian can condone a mentally challenged Adkins getting killed in cold blood and having it so his admitted murderer not even given a chance at justice. The whole concept of gun escalation to arbitrate an altercation doesn't seem very Christian to me.
There's a good chance he will get off. But stand yr ground will let go free many that the vast majority of America deems to be a murderer.
Frankly Bob, I don't understand how a Christian can condone a mentally challenged Adkins getting killed in cold blood and having it so his admitted murderer not even given a chance at justice. The whole concept of gun escalation to arbitrate an altercation doesn't seem very Christian to me.
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
I haven't said a word about Adkins, and from what I've read about it, it's a messed up situation. I think a good argument can be made that stand your ground laws need to be scaled back, at least requiring the person to take reasonable steps to avoid a confrontation or something like that. So, any other preconceptions you have about me that have no basis?
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
It appears that my 'preconceptions' were not without merit as you seem more than a bit conflicted. To me based on faith alone, this is an open-and-shut bad deal in terms a Christian approach to personal disputes. And not speaking about you specifically, but it is Christians giving mixed messages on issues like escalation-to-death for altercations that makes Christianity a tough sell to many.
It appears that my 'preconceptions' were not without merit as you seem more than a bit conflicted. To me based on faith alone, this is an open-and-shut bad deal in terms a Christian approach to personal disputes. And not speaking about you specifically, but it is Christians giving mixed messages on issues like escalation-to-death for altercations that makes Christianity a tough sell to many.
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
I think he is saying that if Zimmerman had smote him with the jawbone of an a s s Christians would have been fine with it. But I could be wrong.
Huh? What on earth are you talking about?
I think he is saying that if Zimmerman had smote him with the jawbone of an a s s Christians would have been fine with it. But I could be wrong.
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
I know you can read. We must just have a different interpretation of what it is to be Christian. Its unfortunate that we need to turn to athiests to discourage needless escalation to death of personal disputes.
Never mind Bob, I guess its not important.
Huh? What on earth are you talking about?
I know you can read. We must just have a different interpretation of what it is to be Christian. Its unfortunate that we need to turn to athiests to discourage needless escalation to death of personal disputes.
Never mind Bob, I guess its not important.
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
You may be onto something. Personally, I've never been big on donkey jawbones. Never have had one myself.I think he is saying that if Zimmerman had smote him with the jawbone of an a s s Christians would have been fine with it. But I could be wrong.
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
And my being a Christian doesn't mean I can't apply logic and judgment to see where this court case is likely headed. Sorry I'm not throwing you a bone by parroting whatever it is you want me to. I call a spade a spade, and I don't think you're doing that here.
I think you're right. We do have different understandings of what it is to be a Christian.
And my being a Christian doesn't mean I can't apply logic and judgment to see where this court case is likely headed. Sorry I'm not throwing you a bone by parroting whatever it is you want me to. I call a spade a spade, and I don't think you're doing that here.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
Aren't the police REQUIRED to take those photos?
Aren't the police REQUIRED to take those photos?
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
Saw a NYT article that said one photo was taken of Zimmerman at the crime scene, and further photos were taken later back at the station. Better than nothing, but certainly less than you'd want in a case like this.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
Well, if those photos clearly show he was attacked then I agree that changes everything including my perspective on the case. But, I would like to know why the police didn't collect his gun or these photographs at the scene. Heck, in a police shooting a police officer has his gun taken as evidence.
Whoever is guilty here it is clear the police in Florida are morons and anyone who lives there does so at their own risk.
Well, if those photos clearly show he was attacked then I agree that changes everything including my perspective on the case. But, I would like to know why the police didn't collect his gun or these photographs at the scene. Heck, in a police shooting a police officer has his gun taken as evidence.
Whoever is guilty here it is clear the police in Florida are morons and anyone who lives there does so at their own risk.
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
I agree that the policework in this case left a lot to be desired. That said, you can't go back and redo things, so we have what we have from the policework. I think the missing holes in the policework would tend to work in Zimmerman's favor if anything, as the prosecution needs details to possibly help make a case for second degree murder.
huskyfan
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Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
what I would like to know ... why has this case been released to - or by - the media in drips and drops? within a week after the police and prosecutors knew the basic facts. they had photos, forensics, witnesses, etc.
when I first heard of this case it went like this - black kid shot in the back by white man in upscale gated community. then pictures of the cute little 12 old. then it wasn't upscale anymore. then the white guy is hispanic. the kid isn't a kid anymore. there was a cellphone call. or not. there were witnesses. or not.
my point is - why has this been allowed to turn into a media circus by the painfully slow release of information?
what I would like to know ... why has this case been released to - or by - the media in drips and drops? within a week after the police and prosecutors knew the basic facts. they had photos, forensics, witnesses, etc.
when I first heard of this case it went like this - black kid shot in the back by white man in upscale gated community. then pictures of the cute little 12 old. then it wasn't upscale anymore. then the white guy is hispanic. the kid isn't a kid anymore. there was a cellphone call. or not. there were witnesses. or not.
my point is - why has this been allowed to turn into a media circus by the painfully slow release of information?
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
On top of everything else, you're familiar with the justice "that most of America recognizes" (whatever that means) too? Florida allows televised trials. I can't imagine this one won't be. You might consider waiting 'til then before making up your mind. Did I even just suggest that?
On top of everything else, you're familiar with the justice "that most of America recognizes" (whatever that means) too? Florida allows televised trials. I can't imagine this one won't be. You might consider waiting 'til then before making up your mind. Did I even just suggest that?
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????
It doesn't work in Zimmerman's favor if his face was beaten to a pulp. Also, if it seems to work in his favor its going to work against him with the jury cause law enforcement screwed up and there's no question he killed the boy. I probably wouldn't be prosecuting second degree murder but maybe the jury will have an out with a lesser included charge and they'll take that as an escape hatch in a heartbeat.
It doesn't work in Zimmerman's favor if his face was beaten to a pulp. Also, if it seems to work in his favor its going to work against him with the jury cause law enforcement screwed up and there's no question he killed the boy. I probably wouldn't be prosecuting second degree murder but maybe the jury will have an out with a lesser included charge and they'll take that as an escape hatch in a heartbeat.