Fighting Sioux to fight on...For one more year at least.

[Shirtless Guy]

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So has there been any discussion about the fact that even if UND stops using the Sioux, they will still be hostile and abusive because Dakota is still in the name? I mean that is an indian tribe too right?

 

[HoosierBBall_GopherHockey]

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Sure they did. A couple of scholarships for Seminole students is pretty much on the same level as educating a quarter of the American Indian doctors in the country.

Sources for those?

 

[SoCalSiouxFan]

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Really? Go look at your response to my one post on this. All I did was ask if you ever heard about the conditions the Irish lived in in the slums of New York and Chicago in the 19th Century. You responded by attacking my intelligence, questioning my maturity, and implying that I was d unk. I had directed no insults toward you whatsoever, and you responded by spewing invective toward me, someone you know absolutely nothing about. Your behavior in this thread has been abominable and ban-worthy.

Ok then how do conditions the Irish lived in in the slums of New York and Chicago in the 19th Century relate to whether or not UND should currently keep it's Indian Head logo and Fighting Sioux name?

Does this have anything to do with potatoes? North Dakota has lots of potatoes!!!!

 

[uaafanblog]

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I'll save you the trouble. Here is your response to my factual post that the Irish suffered from discriminatio, a post that insulted no one, and made no racist statements.

You're right. I thought I was responding to MavsFan14. I was already impressed by his complete lack of cognition and thought it was he that was stupid enough to compare the treatment in this country that is historically common to all immigrant peoples to the genocide perpetrated on the indigenous people of this continent. My apologies for saying I didn't hurl an insult without receiving one. I did indeed insult you first.

 

[uaafanblog]

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See, we can agree on one thing. Want to bet your descended testicle on which of us has the credibility around here?

Don't bettors usually have stakes on both sides of the bet? What are you putting up against one of my descended testicles? A couple of cases of your tGlenlivet from the garage? Anyway, Nah ... I couldn't drink that much Scotch over the course of the rest of my life. I'll leave that up to you ...

I wonder if Galileo was concerned about his credibility? I guess not ... he knew he was right.

 

[Old Pio]

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Don't bettors usually have stakes on both sides of the bet? What are you putting up against one of my descended testicles? A couple of cases of your tGlenlivet from the garage? Anyway, Nah ... I couldn't drink that much Scotch over the course of the rest of my life. I'll leave that up to you ...

I wonder if Galileo was concerned about his credibility? I guess not ... he knew he was right.

This delusional boy modestly compares himself to Galileo. Nice.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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...
I wonder if Galileo was concerned about his credibility? I guess not ... he knew he was right.

This delusional boy modestly compares himself to Galileo. Nice.

Hitler knew he was right too...

 

[5mn_Major]

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Most are for it. These are from tribal councils, the tribes themselves have not voted on it. Standing Rock actually refused to let tribal members have a say. The current Chairman of Standing Rock is a nickname supporter and he won rather handily. They haven't visited the issue recently since there are more important things to worry about than UND's nickname.

You hear it all. When Sioux leadership is solidly against...you hear that's not the will of the people (even though leadership is voted in regularly). When a Sioux tribe doesn't actually come out against the logo...that's what you hear about and not about the likely enormous pressure they're to support the name. No issue has 100% support...but even if this was as low as 50%...labels the communities use like derogitory and demeaning show the magnitude of the negative impact on the NAs from the issue.

I don't care whether UND changes its name or not...but its quite clear a huge number of Sioux do find it offensive.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Do you think we'd be having this debate if it was the North Sioux Fighting Dakotas?

 

[uaafanblog]

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Hitler knew he was right too...

It took 227 posts ...

 

[PCM]

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Sources for those?

Enjoy your reading material.

http://www.seminoles.com/genrel/080505aab.html

FSU administrators also regularly travel to Seminole reservations to recruit students to be "Seminole Scholars." Wetherell established the scholarships, which pay 80 percent of a student's tuition. Because of his efforts, Florida State will have four new Seminole students this fall, the most ever enrolled at one time. They will join four Seminole students currently enrolled. Three other Seminole students are alumni.

I mean, wow. FSU had eight Seminole students enrolled at once? That's simply incredible, considering UND typically has more than 300 enrolled American Indian students every year. And FSU has three Seminole alumni? Yes, Florida State is certainly into American Indian education big time.

From Page 4 of UND's Indians Into Medicine (INMED) program handbook:
http://www.med.und.edu/inmed/documents/INMEDProgramBooklet.pdf

INMED is making an impact. To date, the program has graduated 173 Indian physicians, or approximately twenty percent of this country’s Indian physicians who are enrolled members of Federally recognized tribes. INMED has assisted numerous other American Indian students who are now nurses, physical therapists, clinical lab scientists, psychologists, social workers and other health care providers.

http://www.med.und.edu/inmed/about.html

INMED was established in 1973 to meet the need for health professionals to serve reservation populations. INMED is a viable means of supplying these health professionals. The program is located where Indian health needs are the greatest. American Indian populations on the 24 reservations in North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, and Nebraska are among the most underserved in the country.

The INMED program is an integral part of the University of North Dakota School of Medicine & Health Sciences, and INMED also maintains close relationships with area tribes and with several national education organizations. An all-Indian board, the INMED Tribal Board, represents American Indian populations and assists in developing INMED philosophies and priorities.

The number of Indian students who participate in INMED increases each year, and the scope of the program's activities is expanding. INMED is destined to continue its leadership role in training Indian students for health careers.

Now you can do some research for me. Find me a Florida State listing similar to this one at UND:
http://www.med.und.edu/inmed/indianrelatedprograms.html

 

[PCM]

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I don't care whether UND changes its name or not...but its quite clear a huge number of Sioux do find it offensive.

It's also clear there are a huge number who do not. If the polling data is anywhere near accurate, the number who oppose it are in the minority.

My personal opinion is that keeping the Fighting Sioux nickname hurts UND's ability to successfully transition into Division I athletics. Even if the NCAA decided not to sanction UND (which I consider very unlikely), there are many Division I schools that will refuse to schedule UND.

I'm also seeing UND alumni, sports fans and students increasingly at odds with each other over this issue. Keeping the nickname isn't worth the damage it causes the university. The pragmatist in me says that it's time for UND to change the name and move on.

That doesn't mean that I have accepted the arguments of the Fighting Sioux nickname opponents. The way I see it is that if -- after 40 years of debate -- you haven't succeeded in pursuading the majority of the alleged victims that they are, indeed, victims, then you probably have a very poor case.

 

[Old Pio]

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Enjoy your reading material.

http://www.seminoles.com/genrel/080505aab.html

I mean, wow. FSU had eight Seminole students enrolled at once? That's simply incredible, considering UND typically has more than 300 enrolled American Indian students every year. And FSU has three Seminole alumni? Yes, Florida State is certainly into American Indian education big time.

From Page 4 of UND's Indians Into Medicine (INMED) program handbook:
http://www.med.und.edu/inmed/documents/INMEDProgramBooklet.pdf


http://www.med.und.edu/inmed/about.html




Now you can do some research for me. Find me a Florida State listing similar to this one at UND:
http://www.med.und.edu/inmed/indianrelatedprograms.html

The one thing I've learned during this protracted series of debates is the depth and breadth of UND programs to help Native Americans. Whatever it is that FSU does in this regard pales in comparison. For those with short memories, the very day the NC$$ came out with its initial findings, the president of FSU announced they were going to the mattresses to fight 'em. Suddenly, the NC$$ equivocated on just how evil FSU was. I suspect if it was the FSU Fighting Sioux, the NC$$ would be waxing poetic about the wonderful outreach programs to the Sioux.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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It took 227 posts ...

People throughout history have known they were right before only to be found wrong, your own comparison to Galileo as ridiculous as my comparison to Hitler. A man of science knowing he was right about a scientific matter is not a fair comparison to a Polictically Correct discussion. The NCAA is ok with Athenians, Aztecs, Celtics, Celts, Cowboys, Crusaders, Dutch, (Flying) Dutchmen, Gaels, Illini, Irish, Pioneers, Saxons, Scots, Spartans, Swedes, Trojans, Vandals, Vikings, and Warriors (when not relating to Native Americans), not too mention the exceptions granted to the Chippewas, Choctaws, Seminoles, and Utes. How many of those names persecuted other races or groups? If indians is bad, shouldn't Pioneers and Cowboys be bad too? Crusaders fought a holy war in the name of god killing many innocent people, but thats ok? Aztecs must be ok because there is no American guilt over the name because "we" had nothing to do with their demise huh? Vandals persecuted Manichaeans and Catholics...not a big deal. The Illini don't really exist today so nobody cares.

 

[Old Pio]

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People throughout history have known they were right before only to be found wrong, your own comparison to Galileo as ridiculous as my comparison to Hitler. A man of science knowing he was right about a scientific matter is not a fair comparison to a Polictically Correct discussion. The NCAA is ok with Athenians, Aztecs, Celtics, Celts, Cowboys, Crusaders, Dutch, (Flying) Dutchmen, Gaels, Illini, Irish, Pioneers, Saxons, Scots, Spartans, Swedes, Trojans, Vandals, Vikings, and Warriors (when not relating to Native Americans), not too mention the exceptions granted to the Chippewas, Choctaws, Seminoles, and Utes. How many of those names persecuted other races or groups? If indians is bad, shouldn't Pioneers and Cowboys be bad too? Crusaders fought a holy war in the name of god killing many innocent people, but thats ok? Aztecs must be ok because there is no American guilt over the name because "we" had nothing to do with their demise huh? Vandals persecuted Manichaeans and Catholics...not a big deal. The Illini don't really exist today so nobody cares.

As to the Illini, somebody cares: PC thugs at the NC$$ and in the Illinois General Assembly conspired to rid the world of the majesty of Chief Illiniwek. And Native Americans are so much better off because of it. As they will be if The Fighting Sioux go down.

 

[HoosierBBall_GopherHockey]

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Enjoy your reading material.

http://www.seminoles.com/genrel/080505aab.html

I mean, wow. FSU had eight Seminole students enrolled at once? That's simply incredible, considering UND typically has more than 300 enrolled American Indian students every year. And FSU has three Seminole alumni? Yes, Florida State is certainly into American Indian education big time.

From Page 4 of UND's Indians Into Medicine (INMED) program handbook:
http://www.med.und.edu/inmed/documents/INMEDProgramBooklet.pdf


http://www.med.und.edu/inmed/about.html




Now you can do some research for me. Find me a Florida State listing similar to this one at UND:
http://www.med.und.edu/inmed/indianrelatedprograms.html

Very interesting stuff. I knew UND had done a lot to help numerous Native American tribes, but that is some interesting information. I know they also have an INPSYDE program (fairly similar to the medical program only deals with helping Native Americans get into UND's graduate psychology programs), because I was looking at the PhD clinical psychology program up there.
Another question is then, is if the vast majority of Sioux approve the continued usage of the nickname, why haven't those of the Standing Rock tribe voted for it? Many are saying that they do not have time, or it is not important enough to them. If it is not important enough for them to vote on it, what makes it so important for the rest of you to keep it?

 

[cross cheque]

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Dear uaafanblog,
What do you do for the sioux tribes in the united states besides write on blogs? I.e. Monetary donations, professional medical treatment, licensed counseling...etc

 

[Old Pio]

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Very interesting stuff. I knew UND had done a lot to help numerous Native American tribes, but that is some interesting information. I know they also have an INPSYDE program (fairly similar to the medical program only deals with helping Native Americans get into UND's graduate psychology programs), because I was looking at the PhD clinical psychology program up there.
Another question is then, is if the vast majority of Sioux approve the continued usage of the nickname, why haven't those of the Standing Rock tribe voted for it? Many are saying that they do not have time, or it is not important enough to them. If it is not important enough for them to vote on it, what makes it so important for the rest of you to keep it?

Because white people and their opinions should count too?

 

[uaafanblog]

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[uaafanblog]

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