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Elmira possibly moving to First Arena?

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BigRedGuy said:
I disagree. On the surface maybe it is but the team should get all the advertising money as they are the team. They should get some food and drink cuts. Teams cost money to run, you have people to pay. They need some help and they really aren't getting any.
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So who pays for the expenses of operating the arena...Santa Claus?
 
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NUProf said:
So who pays for the expenses of operating the arena...Santa Claus?
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It's funny how this deal is even being allowed to be offered considering the guy doesn't own the place as of now.

Keyword I said some. You will make a lot getting all the concession cuts and suite cuts. I don't think giving up a small percentage would hurt. As for the advertising...without Afr theres no team to be advertised. I suppose the arena could get a team but good luck on creating a franchise this late in the ball game. Besides, it's not like the arena operators will be paying for things like travel, off ice officials, etc that have to do with the hockey side of things.

I haven't checked out a lot of minor league hockey leases with their respective arenas but I would guess a lot of it depends on what you can get aside from the cost of the actually lease to play.
 
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elbojpb said:
For a decade, he has been getting help and the concession revenue and still went bankrupt. The AFRs simply did not maximize the huge revenue potential that the Arena presented.
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Guy has a PhD in accounting, how much you wanna bet those books were cooked? Furthermore why would you want to show a profit? You could use it as a tax write off if it's not.

I don't think Doc is as stupid of a person as the local politicians think.
 
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BigRedGuy said:
Guy has a PhD in accounting, how much you wanna bet those books were cooked? Furthermore why would you want to show a profit? You could use it as a tax write off if it's not. I don't think Doc is as stupid of a person as the local politicians think.
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If he thought that avoiding paying property taxes would somehow benefit his bottom line, then his PhD isn't helping him any.
 
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Amazingly, I am not related to the STED President, despite sharing the unique spelling of his last name...
 
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elbojpb said:
If he thought that avoiding paying property taxes would somehow benefit his bottom line, then his PhD isn't helping him any.
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Being a private entity why do property taxes have to be paid?

I still think this story has corrupt monkey business involving Santulli and Co. that just doesn't add up and that we will never hear about more than likely. I would very much like to hear about this bank account with an alleged January transaction. I know people in the banking industry, those things can be traced on who took out what and when. I'm sure the account name more than likely had Nichols and Lewis names attached seeing as how they were Doc's chronies. So i'm sure more than an Afr had access to it. Furthermore, the one constant gripe is "they were never in town" It sure seems kind of interesting that Mr. GM and his side kick lackey start another venture in town the same time this **** hit the fan. But of course the politicians love Mr, Nichols(two pukes make a great pair I guess) It's too bad the county judge took the easy way out and dismissed the case, though I call conflict of interest being a county resident and all OF COURSE SHE WASN'T GUNNA RULE AGAINST THE COUNTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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BigRedGuy said:
Being a private entity why do property taxes have to be paid?
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Because, unless things are very different in New York, the only entities that are exempt from property taxes are not for profit tax empt orgnaizations such as Churches and Schools, or government organizations. Private entities are, of course, required to pay taxes.
 
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NUProf said:
Private entities are, of course, required to pay taxes.
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He also [allegedly] failed to pay for liability insurance, the fire alarm maintenance contract, utilities, and quite a few of his creditors. I'm at a loss to explain how he went bankrupt having never paid half of his bills!? I'm a strong believer in the importance of a multi-use facility to a city, but I think Elmira sold its soul for this one.

BigRed - You continually denigrate the politicians without citing any substantive proof. Do you have evidence, are you simply speculating, or do you have some sort of beef with the County Executives? (who - by the way - have done more to contain spending, and keep taxes down in Chemung County than any other county in the State)
 
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elbojpb said:
He also [allegedly] failed to pay for liability insurance, the fire alarm maintenance contract, utilities, and quite a few of his creditors. I'm at a loss to explain how he went bankrupt having never paid half of his bills!? I'm a strong believer in the importance of a multi-use facility to a city, but I think Elmira sold its soul for this one.

BigRed - You continually denigrate the politicians without citing any substantive proof. Do you have evidence, are you simply speculating, or do you have some sort of beef with the County Executives? (who - by the way - have done more to contain spending, and keep taxes down in Chemung County than any other county in the State)
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I don't care who owns the facility it will never be a multi-use facility. The city is too small and the arena size is too small for any lacrosse league or anyother sport. The hoodlums might take up to some bball. Though the Rodman experiment was a flop. But the prices were outrageous.

As much as I don't trust Doc, I don't trust politcians either(and thats in a general sense) I have been critical of the arena. I have called it one big mob crime family, but then again politics is another form of sorts of organized crime on its own.

A lot of things went wrong here. This place never went to auction(by county law it should have) There definitely is room to think some back door deal was done as it's not like Santulli and TF don't have any business doings together. One thing thats never mentioned is Afr met the February 29th payback date.

None of the parties involved excite me. I am a diehard Jackals fan but I can tell you this my days of going to games is over(and the arena) don't wanna give Doc or the other guy(whoever will end up owning it)anymore money than they will get. At this point with all the lies, broken promises and broken dreams I would be all for that place being bulldozed and rthe remains of it being filled into the ground!
 
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BigRedGuy said:
I don't care who owns the facility it will never be a multi-use facility. The city is too small and the arena size is too small for any lacrosse league or anyother sport. The hoodlums might take up to some bball. Though the Rodman experiment was a flop. But the prices were outrageous.

As much as I don't trust Doc, I don't trust politcians either(and thats in a general sense) I have been critical of the arena. I have called it one big mob crime family, but then again politics is another form of sorts of organized crime on its own.

A lot of things went wrong here. This place never went to auction(by county law it should have) There definitely is room to think some back door deal was done as it's not like Santulli and TF don't have any business doings together. One thing thats never mentioned is Afr met the February 29th payback date.

None of the parties involved excite me. I am a diehard Jackals fan but I can tell you this my days of going to games is over(and the arena) don't wanna give Doc or the other guy(whoever will end up owning it)anymore money than they will get. At this point with all the lies, broken promises and broken dreams I would be all for that place being bulldozed and rthe remains of it being filled into the ground!
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In case everyone wants to get a summation of everything that's been stated:

 
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collegehcky2 said:
Totally! A vacant lot would really add to the charm that is the City of Elmira.
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Don't know if you have ever visited the city or not(the Domes is in the sticks) but this city is on its last legs anyway.

That place is nothing but a bunch of broken fake promises, broken dreams and a bunch of lies. It's nothing but the biggest organized crime operation in the city.

We just need that and the **** prison to close!
 
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e: Never mind, nothing to see here.
 
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BigRedGuy said:
Don't know if you have ever visited the city or not(the Domes is in the sticks) but this city is on its last legs anyway.

That place is nothing but a bunch of broken fake promises, broken dreams and a bunch of lies. It's nothing but the biggest organized crime operation in the city.

We just need that and the **** prison to close!
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wouldnt that cost jobs??
 
BigRedGuy said:
Don't know if you have ever visited the city or not(the Domes is in the sticks) but this city is on its last legs anyway.

That place is nothing but a bunch of broken fake promises, broken dreams and a bunch of lies. It's nothing but the biggest organized crime operation in the city.

We just need that and the **** prison to close!
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Bitter much? Jeesh.
 
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bakdraft21 said:
wouldnt that cost jobs??
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Quite a few of those guys stick it to people with the disability claims and what not. Then they all get to punch out by 45. It's not all that different then living in a mining town really, these guys aren't smart enough to do something else so they stumble on this, really it would just be getting rid of dead weight type.
 
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