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Elections 2012: Congressional and Gubernatorial

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FlagDUDE08 said:
What do they want to pass? I can't wait to hear this...
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Defund Planned Parenthood
Ban all abortions in the United States. No exceptions for incest, rape, life of the mother, etc.
Restrict access to contraceptive care.
Ban sex education in public and private schools.
Ban the teaching of evolution.

Should I go on???
 
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Old Pio said:
About 20% of Americans oppose abortion under any circumstance. This is nothing new, the data are readily available, even to a smear artist like you.
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20% of Americans? All Americans?

I tried to find the metrics of this poll but didn't see them, but it looks like this was a survey of voters or at least, adults. Doesn't say this is exclusively Republicans that are being surveyed.

So this works out to what, 60-70% of Republicans believe it should be illegal in all circumstances? What percentage of "Americans" are Republicans?

For fun, let's say 35%. Based on that and using the 20%... well, you get where this is going.



When you say things like "20% of Americans" in the context that you did, it's pretty disingenuous & self-serving and tries to minimize the proportion of those "Americans" that are Republicans, which is what was being talked about.

I don't have any proof of this, but I'm willing to bet the farm that the vast majority of those "20% of Americans" vote Republican approximately 100% of the time.

The concern that many have is that Republicans, not broader "Americans," will enact legislation that is extreme in nature. So pointing out what "Americans" think about an issue seems irrelevant to the discussion at hand.


If your party doesn't want this and other social issues to be the narrative, they should speak up and let everyone know that they don't agree with the crazies that are running the show. Silence (cowardice) = agreement.

I mean, we're talking about Republicans and what Republicans might do should they gain complete control. But you knew that...
 
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Gurtholfin said:
20% of Americans? All Americans?

I tried to find the metrics of this poll but didn't see them, but it looks like this was a survey of voters or at least, adults. Doesn't say this is exclusively Republicans that are being surveyed.

So this works out to what, 60-70% of Republicans believe it should be illegal in all circumstances? What percentage of "Americans" are Republicans?

For fun, let's say 35%. Based on that and using the 20%... well, you get where this is going.



When you say things like "20% of Americans" in the context that you did, it's pretty disingenuous & self-serving and tries to minimize the proportion of those "Americans" that are Republicans, which is what was being talked about.

I don't have any proof of this, but I'm willing to bet the farm that the vast majority of those "20% of Americans" vote Republican approximately 100% of the time.

The concern that many have is that Republicans, not broader "Americans," will enact legislation that is extreme in nature. So pointing out what "Americans" think about an issue seems irrelevant to the discussion at hand.


If your party doesn't want this and other social issues to be the narrative, they should speak up and let everyone know that they don't agree with the crazies that are running the show. Silence (cowardice) = agreement.

I mean, we're talking about Republicans and what Republicans might do should they gain complete control. But you knew that...
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I didn't say 20%, Gallup did. If you have problems with their methodology, take it up with them. Keep on trying to focus on something, anything, other than the wreckage of the economy. Just like those "Republican" dimwit babes who just woke up and realized the GOP is pro-life. You and that cheap Chicago hack want this election to turn on abortion. Who knows, maybe it will. With 30 year old school girls leading the way, b*tching because they can't force people with religious objections to pay for their contraception.

Pregnant in summer, barefoot in winter. Works for me. I'll pass your advice on to Gov. Romney, who always takes my calls.
 
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Old Pio said:
I didn't say 20%, Gallup did. If you have problems with their methodology, take it up with them. Keep on trying to focus on something, anything, other than the wreckage of the economy.
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You've mentioned the "20%" more than once (over the past week+) as some sort of proof that the majority of your party doesn't agree with the likes of Akin. Each time you've mentioned 20%, you've implied that you are referring to only 20% of Republicans in an effort to profess your party's mostly moderate or nuanced stance on abortion. Relatively speaking, of course.

Go ahead and play like you don't understand where I'm coming from though. Blame it on Gallup and not your selective use of the data. Probably your only chance at this point.

As far as changing the subject from the economy, oh no, NOT FAIR! The Dems found a wedge issue and are using it to their advantage. Who would do such a thing!?!

Again, don't like it? Then your party should diffuse it by discrediting it. Unfortunately they can't because enough of them agree with it or are too afraid of the base to say anything.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
You've mentioned the "20%" more than once (over the past week+) as some sort of proof that the majority of your party doesn't agree with the likes of Akin. Each time you've mentioned 20%, you've implied that you are referring to only 20% of Republicans in an effort to profess your party's mostly moderate or nuanced stance on abortion. Relatively speaking, of course.

Go ahead and play like you don't understand where I'm coming from though. Blame it on Gallup and not your selective use of the data. Probably your only chance at this point.

As far as changing the subject from the economy, oh no, NOT FAIR! The Dems found a wedge issue and are using it to their advantage. Who would do such a thing!?!

Again, don't like it? Then your party should diffuse it by discrediting it. Unfortunately they can't because enough of them agree with it or are too afraid of the base to say anything.
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Two minor quibbles: 1. It's not my party. 2. And neither I nor they give a sh*t about your advice. Maybe we can work a trade: Republicans moderate their views on social matters. And Democrats (especially the CDWIC) comes out against the black on black slaughter in Chicago, to name just one killing ground.

Just to clarify: I may have inadvertently used the 20% figure in relationship to Republicans. It was unintentional. And not part of some nefarious effort. It is, instead, a figure for the whole population. But the data I posted are from Gallup, not me. I don't see how you get to me "blaming" Gallup.

However, their data seem to show that about 75% of us have some opposition to abortion. Which means, I suppose, that some people who call themselves "pro-choice" actually favor some limitations or restrictions.

All of your wheezing demagoguery notwithstanding, certainly some good Catholic Democrats also oppose all abortions. And some solid Republicans are pro-choice. But that may be a little too much nunance for you to absorb all at once. Besides, what percentage of voters consider themselves of either party? It's certainly not 50/50. Which means your efforts to paint the GOP as full of Akins types, while politically useful, is inaccurate.

Maybe the millions of Americans unemployed, underemployed or who have just given up go to bed each night grateful that that cheap Chicago hack is protecting their rights to have an abortion, even up to the moment when the child is exiting the birth canal. Or maybe they're worried that 30 year old law students can't get free contraception. Maybe. Then again, maybe they're thinking about something else.

As I've said, if I were running His Chicagovaluesness' campaign, I'd be doing exactly the same thing. So now the candidate of the party that whispers Lee Atwater's name in dread under their beds is now channeling him.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
You've mentioned the "20%" more than once (over the past week+) as some sort of proof that the majority of your party doesn't agree with the likes of Akin. Each time you've mentioned 20%, you've implied that you are referring to only 20% of Republicans in an effort to profess your party's mostly moderate or nuanced stance on abortion. Relatively speaking, of course.
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There are no republicans on this board. They are all totally independent in thought and action using well reasoned arguments to support themselves.
 
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Foxton said:
There are no republicans on this board. They are all totally independent in thought and action using well reasoned arguments to support themselves.
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Correct, but everyone who disagrees with them on anything is a "libtard." I understand.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Correct, but everyone who disagrees with them on anything is a "libtard." I understand.
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You're thinking of the Democrat leadership, only replace "libtard" with "knuckledragger". Then you have it right.

The posters whom Rover and Scooby call "knuckledraggers" are much more open to disagreement than you'd think.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It's ironic that it's the knuckledraggers that don't believe in evolution.
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You'd be surprised at how many do. The Catholic Church has stated (indirectly heard through teachers at parochial schools) that evolution is OK to teach. Are you still hung up on Scopes?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
You're thinking of the Democrat leadership, only replace "libtard" with "knuckledragger". Then you have it right.

The posters whom Rover and Scooby call "knuckledraggers" are much more open to disagreement than you'd think.
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You're right! They're open to disagreement about whether Reagan or George W Bush was The Second Coming. Have you guys resolved that yet?
 
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Rover said:
You're right! They're open to disagreement about whether Reagan or George W Bush was The Second Coming. Have you guys resolved that yet?
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Reagan encouraged the federal bullying of states through his actions in forcing states to raise the alcohol age and claim it their own.
 
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Rover said:
You're right! They're open to disagreement about whether Reagan or George W Bush was The Second Coming. Have you guys resolved that yet?
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Reagan is the Father, Dubya is the Son, and Roger Ailes is the Holy Spirit.
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
You'd be surprised at how many do. The Catholic Church has stated (indirectly heard through teachers at parochial schools) that evolution is OK to teach. Are you still hung up on Scopes?
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When you leave God out of the equation, that's when some folks have problems. Nature is not an anarchy.
 
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