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Elections 2012: Congressional and Gubernatorial

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walrus said:
He never saw a tax dollar he didn't want to spend. Lets put it this way, he isn't going to help solve the spending problem in DC.
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No one who is actually going to be elected will solve the country's budget problems, so we're screwed there. Of course, this will get me criticized for "giving up" and resigning to our fate, but I just don't see it any other way.

Admittedly, I was sucked onto the O train with the rest of my fellow collegians back in '08 (though with a lot less blind fervor and more of a foolishly optimistic, "he seems like the better guy for the job" attitude). The only area in which Obama been a modest improvement over Bush is foreign policy. Otherwise, he and the Congress have been a joke - just as much clumsy government intervention and even more debt.
 
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joecct said:
Hey Kep

I know you're not voting for him, but here's your representative: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...da9-11e1-8e43-4a3c4375504a_story.html?hpid=z3
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That photo is perfect. You hafta imagine Roscoe tooling around in one of the Shriner's toy cars on a 105 degree day here in Point of Rocks at our Founders' Day parade to get the full flavor of the man. Pure retail politics.

I think he may be sick, too. I've seen him every year for 8 years, and I swear he's dropped 40 pounds over that time. He aint lookin' too good.
 
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Ways to blow an 8 point lead in your Senatorial race:

Rep. Todd Akin, the Republican nominee for Senate in Missouri who is running against Sen. Claire McCaskill, justified his opposition to abortion rights even in case of rape with a claim that victims of “legitimate rape” have unnamed biological defenses that prevent pregnancy.

“First of all, from what I understand from doctors [pregnancy from rape] is really rare,” Akin told KTVI-TV in an interview posted Sunday. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing
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And now the phrase "Legitimate Rape" has entered our political discussion.
 
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bronconick said:
Ways to blow an 8 point lead in your Senatorial race:



And now the phrase "Legitimate Rape" has entered our political discussion.
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I'm amazed at all the idiots in the world that get as far as they do.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Admittedly, I was sucked onto the O train with the rest of my fellow collegians back in '08 (though with a lot less blind fervor and more of a foolishly optimistic, "he seems like the better guy for the job" attitude). The only area in which Obama been a modest improvement over Bush is foreign policy. Otherwise, he and the Congress have been a joke - just as much clumsy government intervention and even more debt.
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Considering the alternative involved placing Sarah Palin one John McCain heartbeat away from the Presidency, you did fine.
 
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bronconick said:
And now the phrase "Legitimate Rape" has entered our political discussion.
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???
is this some sorta excuse they think women use when they go into get an abortion?

"and why are you here to abort the fetus?
"um, i was raped."
"ok, sign here and go into room 101."
 
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bronconick said:
And now the phrase "Legitimate Rape" has entered our political discussion.
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Absolutely! The female human body can definitely distinguish between rape-induced vs. consensual insemination. 'Specially, once they git them male-hatin' "hormones" a flowin'. :rolleyes:

Twitch Boy said:
Considering the alternative involved placing Sarah Palin one John McCain heartbeat away from the Presidency, you did fine.
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That was part of it - it was obvious by late September that he and his advisers agreed to pick Palin to try and use the female vote to counter the black vote, without giving much thought to Palin's political naivety. I also felt McCain lacked interest in the job compared to Obama - after the character assassination stunt pulled by Bush and Rove in 2000, plus his age, the guy just didn't have the same spark eight years later, which is a shame. A win by McCain in 2000 would've likely been a significant improvement over eight years of Bush or Gore.
 
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Old Pio said:
Ignorant? Check

Stupid? Check
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And now he needs to plead temporary stupidity, putting mouth before brains and ask the voters to forgive his stupidity. Some will, some won't. But if he lets this fester for a while (48 hrs), he's cooked.
 
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Edit: You know what? The guy is a moron for so many reasons on this. It doesn't matter what he meant by "legitimate".
 
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bronconick said:
Ways to blow an 8 point lead in your Senatorial race:



And now the phrase "Legitimate Rape" has entered our political discussion.
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While this belief may be more "akin" to something you'd hear out of The Taliban, sadly this guy's comment sums up mainstream conservative Republican views. Want proof? Paul Ryan, the VP nominee on the GOP ticket, is against abortion even in cases of rape and incest. So, either he wants to 1) force rape victims as a matter of law to have their attackers offspring, or 2) he also believes women have some sort of nonsensical defense mechanism and therefore the ones who are getting pregnant didn't mind.

Its about time people start taking Republicans at their word. Todd Akin would be more than happy to implement a policy like this. While doing the usual "I misspoke" bit, he never actually disavowed what he said. That attitude is far, far more prevalent in conservative circles than they'd ever publicly admit. One has to wonder how many a USCHO right wing poster agrees with the idiot although I doubt many would admit it.
 
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Guys like Aiken are important because they show the reductio ad absurdum of fringe right positions. Women's bodies can defend themselves against rape. Removing the right of direct election of Senators increases people's political rights. You should have the right shoot a guy just because you feel threatened by his skin color. Cutting funding for social programs strengthens them. Preventing 10% of the population from voting to guard against a .0001% chance of voter fraud is good for democracy.

Sure, one third of the electorate will defend these ideas either because they are just as radical or because they always follow the "R." But the middle third will be repulsed by them. Even the Democrats won't screw up many elections where they have a 67-33 advantage.
 
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Kepler said:
Guys like Aiken are important because they show the reductio ad absurdum of fringe right positions. Women's bodies can defend themselves against rape. Removing the right of direct election of Senators increases people's political rights. You should have the right shoot a guy just because you feel threatened by his skin color. Cutting funding for social programs strengthens them. Preventing 10% of the population from voting to guard against a .0001% chance of voter fraud is good for democracy.

Sure, one third of the electorate will defend these ideas either because they are just as radical or because they always follow the "R." But the middle third will be repulsed by them. Even the Democrats won't screw up many elections where they have a 67-33 advantage.
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Kep I'm not talking about the politics of this. I'm talking about the deep seated beliefs of many conservatives. Conservatism isn't a political movement. Its more of a state of mind, kinda like a religion. Todd Akin speaks for many, many of his fellow party members. He's not a fringe right person. He would be 30 years ago, but you can count freedom of choice Republicans in Congress on one hand and yet another one (Snowe) is heading for the exits. I'm not saying most Republicans feel this way. What I am saying is a very significant minority of them do.

Media types who tend to be older envision people like Dole or Dirksen standing in the way of legislation like this. Those guys are long gone and Mitch McConnell, Jim DeMint and Michelle Bachman have taken their place. So I'll say again its time voters take Republicans at their word. From forced vaginal ultrasounds to a four time married righty talk show host publicly berating a private citizen over a relatively benign congressional testimony, these aren't isolated incidents. Akin is not the first GOP Senate nominee to take this position.

Your thought of a Dem majority if Cons take this tact is a political calculation. But if you were on a religious crusade to remake Congress, would you care about a short time in the minority in Congress? Probably not, if your "cause" was righteous enough.
 
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"It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that is really rare," Akin said of pregnancy caused by rape. "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin said.

"But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child."
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1. What doctors has he spoke to that have this view?
2. Anyone else ever misspeak like this before? I've flubbed a few words but that sounds like a pretty well thought out couple of sentences to pull out the "I misspoke" excuse.

And there's more.

Nor is this Akin’s first time suggesting some types of rape are more worthy of protections than others. As a state legislator, Akin voted in 1991 for an anti-marital-rape law, but only after questioning whether it might be misused “in a real messy divorce as a tool and a legal weapon to beat up on the husband,” according to a May 1 article that year in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
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http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/todd-akin-legitimate-rape.php

He didn't misspeak. He's lying.
 
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