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Elections 2012: Congressional and Gubernatorial

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Lost in the fun is a poll yesterday has Warren +6 over Brown. Now obviously its not election day yet but I have to say her campaign team's outreach has been top notch. Far better than the Martha Coakley sh !t show from 3 years ago. Not sure if they have anymore debates scheduled, although their first 3 didn't seem to move the needle any.
 
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Rover said:
That's the problem with knuckledraggers. If you start ascribing stuff to "God's will" a lot of nasty things are happening under His watch.
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If you believe that God is omniscient and omnipotent, then you must necessarily believe that God wants bad things to happen to good people.

Personally, I don't have a problem with that, and I don't think Mourdock is a bad man if he thinks that way.


People who think they have God on speed dial and are thus soliciting His opinion on political policy make me nervous. That kind of arrogance tends to cause problems. I mean, if you thought God was endorsing your policies personally, wouldn't that make you a lot less willing to seek compromise with those who disagree with you?
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Although I agree with this, I don't think it necessarily follows from stuff happening by "God's will". It requires a leap from "what has happened is what God intended" to "I know what God wants to happen next".
 
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Craig P. said:
If you believe that God is omniscient and omnipotent, then you must necessarily believe that God wants bad things to happen to good people.

Personally, I don't have a problem with that, and I don't think Mourdock is a bad man if he thinks that way.




Although I agree with this, I don't think it necessarily follows from stuff happening by "God's will". It requires a leap from "what has happened is what God intended" to "I know what God wants to happen next".
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I'll post the quote again.

“God creates life, and that was my point,” Mourdock said in a statement. “God does not want rape, and by no means was I suggesting that he does.”
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He seems to be saying here that God doesn't want bad things to happen to good people. That's what we were commenting on. What you say is logically consistent. What he says is nuts. You can't have it both ways. If you believe that God creates all life then you also have to believe that God intended the act that created that life to happen. If that's what you believe and you're opposed to abortion that's fine I can accept that. What I refuse to accept is you saying that very thing during a debate and then turning your back on your actual belief in hopes you'll get elected.
 
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FreshFish said:
Ironically, many people seem to think that the SCOTUS reached approximately the right "place" on the spectrum in Roe vs Wade while using abominable reasoning ("emanations" from "penumbras" still rankles!)

Sadly, most states were already moving that way anyway, and had SCOTUS not intervened, we'd probably be pretty much where we are now anyway, except without all the rancor. it's amazing how important process can be in legitimizing the results!

Nearly 100% consensus: if a woman waits until the moment right at which the baby is born, killing it is murder or manslaughter.

nearly 100% consensus: life does not "start" at conception, life can only start at the earliest after a fertilized egg implants itself in the uterine wall. Akin's apparently bizarre statement (which I do not support) hinted at this: women might create stress hormones that eject the fertilized egg before it implants. You'd think then that he also would support the "morning after" pill / injection as well (when I was in college, the morning after certain campus events, you'd see a steady stream of young women heading toward the university health service for the injection, which was quietly available in the 1970s).

Then as you move from either end, either backward from birth (okay, killing a fetus which would be viable on its own outside the womb is tantamount to murder) or forward from implantation (suppose the egg does implant but insufficient cell division has yet occurred for the nascent life form to be recognizably human), more and more people drop out from either extreme until you reach a middle ground at which most people grudgingly compromise.

The widespread availability of ultrasound is probably the pro-life person's best friend; once you see that little heartbeat, the whole conversation moves dramatically from the abstract to the concrete.

I am certainly sympathetic to a woman who says "hey I don't want to be carrying that 'thing' around inside me." it's a real heart-breaking choice: "get rid of 'that thing' early? or subject it to years of child abuse later?"

Every woman I know who's had an abortion suffers regrets, even when they knew rationally it was the 'right thing to do.'

It's weird though how some men get so passionate about it. Unless it were my sperm involved, how much voice do I deserve to have in the decision?
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I tend to agree with pretty much every thing you've said here, especially the last part that I put in bold. I would be A-OK if all the women got together and decided this issue once and for all. I would also be okay if we were to let the states decide whether or not they wanted to allow abortion...but that's a whole other topic :p:D:D
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Apologies if this has already been posted:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...ea4a56-1e23-11e2-b647-bb1668e64058_story.html

Wow.
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Isn't that Okeefe guy the one who used heavily edited video to cause that much ado about nothing for Acorn? Why do you have to skip through 8 minutes of editted footage to actually see the full conversation? -_- Moran is a moron for even discussing possible ways to do it with this nutball.

I do like the actual voter fraud that gets mentioned near the very end of the article, linking this one.
The request came amid allegations that a Republican Party contract worker tossed eight voter registration forms into the trash behind a business in Rockingham County this month. The worker, Colin Small, was arrested last week and faces 13 counts of voter registration fraud.
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So hey, actual voter fraud! It's been found!
 
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Rover said:
Lost in the fun is a poll yesterday has Warren +6 over Brown. Now obviously its not election day yet but I have to say her campaign team's outreach has been top notch. Far better than the Martha Coakley sh !t show from 3 years ago. Not sure if they have anymore debates scheduled, although their first 3 didn't seem to move the needle any.
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I was driving around a few days ago and saw a few signs outside some mansions that looked like they'd belong to the 1% with signs outside for Scott Brown that say "He's For Us." I would agree. Brown is for the greedy 1% while Warren is the compassionate and intellectual candidate. No wonder she's winning.
 
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joecct said:
Pay no attention to the relative in the video!! Moran will still get the Post's endorsement.
I'm still trying to remember when the WaPo endorsed a Republican in one of the local races.
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In addition to being the foremost congressional anti-Semite, Moran once attacked an 8-year old, accusing the boy of trying to hijack the his car and threatening to shoot the congressman. Moran don't take no shiza from no 8-year old black kid. No sir.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
He seems to be saying here that God doesn't want bad things to happen to good people.
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I saw that. I wonder if he's saying that because he believes it, or because he thinks it's impolitic to suggest that God wants bad things to happen to good people?
 
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Foxton said:
So hey, actual voter fraud! It's been found!
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There's a Republican candidate for office down here who's in trouble for voting in both TX and IIRC PA elections the last few years.
 
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TimP said:
I was driving around a few days ago and saw a few signs outside some mansions that looked like they'd belong to the 1% with signs outside for Scott Brown that say "He's For Us." I would agree. Brown is for the greedy 1% while Warren is the compassionate and intellectual candidate. No wonder she's winning.
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Deep thinker.
 
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Wanted to mention this earlier regarding Tierney in Mass, but the Moran example also works. Some people regardless of the "D" next to their names need to go. Tierney is a freakin' idiot. He's useless as a Rep, and I can't for the life of me figure out how he wouldn't know his wife was laundering 8 millions bucks in illegal offshore gambling money. This is an easy one. If I lived in that district I'd be voting Republican. While I'm not as familiar with Moran, I've seen him in the news enough and not for good reasons (wasn't he kissing Saddam's rear end before the last war?).
 
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Rover said:
Wanted to mention this earlier regarding Tierney in Mass, but the Moran example also works. Some people regardless of the "D" next to their names need to go. Tierney is a freakin' idiot. He's useless as a Rep, and I can't for the life of me figure out how he wouldn't know his wife was laundering 8 millions bucks in illegal offshore gambling money. This is an easy one. If I lived in that district I'd be voting Republican. While I'm not as familiar with Moran, I've seen him in the news enough and not for good reasons (wasn't he kissing Saddam's rear end before the last war?).
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Not sure if serious...
 
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Rover said:
Wanted to mention this earlier regarding Tierney in Mass, but the Moran example also works. Some people regardless of the "D" next to their names need to go. Tierney is a freakin' idiot. He's useless as a Rep, and I can't for the life of me figure out how he wouldn't know his wife was laundering 8 millions bucks in illegal offshore gambling money. This is an easy one. If I lived in that district I'd be voting Republican. While I'm not as familiar with Moran, I've seen him in the news enough and not for good reasons (wasn't he kissing Saddam's rear end before the last war?).
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Agreed. I do live in this district and unless something changes to convince me otherwise I will be voting for Tisei. He seems like a very reasonable, intelligent, independent thinker. And of course he will have a 2 year period to show that he deserves the job again.

I do think he will win and I'm also interested to see how the far right of the Republican party reacts to an openly gay Republican congressman.
 
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