Elections 2012: Congressional and Gubernatorial

[mookie1995]

Akin also represents the Republican platform that was just adopted for the RNC convention.

That used to be thought of the same way American Catholics believed the orthodoxy coming out of Rome. Unfortunately the social nitwits have become career politicians and are forcing this crap to the forefront.

 

[Rover]

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Ok, honestly, this is getting stupid. The Republican platform on abortion has been unchanged since 1992.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/08/18/n...on-gop-avoids-an-open-debate-on-abortion.html



If you want to argue that guys like Akin being considered for the Senate is a sign you need to hammer them on this, fine, but don't point at the actual party platform as a sign that the party is wheeling rightward by itself. Those have been empty words for two decades.

bronc, that's the point. 20 years ago the GOP was a lip service party on social issues. The difference now is that the people who represent the party in office really want these laws enacted. Credit them for more honesty if you'd like but that only makes them more dangerous. When the majority of the caucus in the House or Senate is part of this camp they will push the leadership to bring these bills up for a vote, or they will replace the leadership with their own people. Once you bring these things to a vote, a guy like McCain or Grassley has to vote for it, or they run the real risk of getting primaried. Your angle if I can tell is that we shouldn't believe GOP rhetoric as they won't actually do what they're advocating once in power. I'm saying the people on the rise now in the party will do exactly what they say and we should take a guy like Akin or Paul Ryan at their word.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Uh, they don't have to be recent. Akin and Ryan worked on the same bill.

Which somehow ties Akins views and the Republican platform? I think you've forgotten what claim you're even trying to prove at this point.

 

[Rover]

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Which somehow ties Akins views and the Republican platform? I think you've forgotten what claim you're even trying to prove at this point.

Ummm....yes it does tie Akin, Ryan and the GOP Platform together. If you're just acting stupid you should be nominated for an academy award this year!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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bronc, that's the point. 20 years ago the GOP was a lip service party on social issues. The difference now is that the people who represent the party in office really want these laws enacted. Credit them for more honesty if you'd like but that only makes them more dangerous. When the majority of the caucus in the House or Senate is part of this camp they will push the leadership to bring these bills up for a vote, or they will replace the leadership with their own people. Once you bring these things to a vote, a guy like McCain or Grassley has to vote for it, or they run the real risk of getting primaried. Your angle if I can tell is that we shouldn't believe GOP rhetoric as they won't actually do what they're advocating once in power. I'm saying the people on the rise now in the party will do exactly what they say and we should take a guy like Akin or Paul Ryan at their word.

It's already happening. State after state across the country is passing anti-abortion legislation after running in 2010 on a jobs jobs jobs Boner platform. Were jobs bills passed? No. But the anti-abortion bills were.

 

[joecct]

It's already happening. State after state across the country is passing anti-abortion legislation after running in 2010 on a jobs jobs jobs Boner platform. Were jobs bills passed? No. But the anti-abortion bills were.

Governments don't create jobs, they create a climate that either encourages or discourages job creation. I would submit that a number of state legislatures did exactly that. Some encouraged job creation and others did the opposite.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Ummm....yes it does tie Akin, Ryan and the GOP Platform together. If you're just acting stupid you should be nominated for an academy award this year!

Another day of Rover's imagination running wild. Shocking.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Governments don't create jobs, they create a climate that either encourages or discourages job creation. I would submit that a number of state legislatures did exactly that. Some encouraged job creation and others did the opposite.

They do create some jobs, but they are directly related to government services, and at the expense of taxpayers. However, you are correct about the climate, yet could say that the government INDIRECTLY creates jobs through business ordinances that factor into a business's decision of what expenses it will need to endure, one of those being labour.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Governments don't create jobs, they create a climate that either encourages or discourages job creation. I would submit that a number of state legislatures did exactly that. Some encouraged job creation and others did the opposite.

Yeah, like the Bush Tax Cuts.

 

[bronconick]

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Government doesn't create jobs right up until the moment where you suggest taking $1.99 away from the Pentagon. Then you're threatening American jobs. That dog ain't gonna hunt no more. Spending money to keep our bridges and infrastructure from collapsing into ash would be creating jobs too, but construction workers don't have General Dynamics' lobbyists, so instead we have enough weaponry to turn every other nation's infrastructure into the same ash we're looking forward to.

 

[joecct]

Yeah, like the Bush Tax Cuts.

See jobs -- Maryland vs. Virginia. You'll get the idea.
Or even better California or Illinois.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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See jobs -- Maryland vs. Virginia. You'll get the idea.
Or even better California or Illinois.

I know what you're referring to. I don't dispute it. I also know that the United States Congress did nothing in the last two years to create that environment.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Government creates jobs, just not very efficiently.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Government doesn't create jobs right up until the moment where you suggest taking $1.99 away from the Pentagon. Then you're threatening American jobs.

It's still indirect. The government is the customer buying something, similar to how you would go out and buy a vehicle. They didn't directly make that job.

 

[joecct]

I know what you're referring to. I don't dispute it. I also know that the United States Congress did nothing in the last two years to create that environment.

What would you want them to do? Spend more money?

In theory the $timulu$ was a good idea until the special interests got their claws into the process.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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What would you want them to do? Spend more money?

In theory the $timulu$ was a good idea until the special interests got their claws into the process.

The stimulus was never a good idea. We're in the same predicament as we were in the 70's. Stagflation.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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The stimulus was never a good idea. We're in the same predicament as we were in the 70's. Stagflation.

The stimulus was necessary. That's irrefutable.

No, I didn't want a second stimulus. What I wanted was the right stimulus in the first place. They failed.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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The stimulus was necessary. That's irrefutable.

No, I didn't want a second stimulus. What I wanted was the right stimulus in the first place. They failed.

Actually, it is refutable. Keynes was wrong. His theories did not take stagflation into account. You cannot spend your way into prosperity with a fiat currency.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Actually, it is refutable. Keynes was wrong. His theories did not take stagflation into account. You cannot spend your way into prosperity with a fiat currency.

Yeah, we get it, you're the resident "trickle down" guy who thinks if we only give Mitt Romney more money everything will be fine.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Yeah, we get it, you're the resident "trickle down" guy who thinks if we only give Mitt Romney more money everything will be fine.

Please explain to me how I wish to give Mitt Romney more money, and how I believe that that will make things fine. These are not rhetorical requests. I expect answers.