unofan
Well-known member
I'll meet in the middle. Let's quarantine all anti-vaxxers (not those who are actually allergic to the vaccines, but the religious and nutjob objectors). They cause more death and illness than Ebola in this country.
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Ebola - all or nothing?
- Thread starter joecct
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I'll meet in the middle. Let's quarantine all anti-vaxxers (not those who are actually allergic to the vaccines, but the religious and nutjob objectors). They cause more death and illness than Ebola in this country.
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Gurtholfin
Guest
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Luckily, the courts are unlikely to agree with you and the other hysterics.
Luckily, the courts are unlikely to agree with you and the other hysterics.
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
The point I was making is this. Right now, and probably for the foreseeable future, Ebola in this country, and the overbearing reactions to a possible Ebola outbreak in this country, are both de minimis problems, and those reacting to the hysterical reactions are every bit as hysterical.
huskyfan
New member
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
yesterday the CDC had a warning up about ebola virus from coughs and sneezes on faucets and handles. today they took it down. the White House says there is nothing to fear. the SecDef says follow the 21 day protocol. some governors have done semi quarantines. no doubt the public unease and ignorance would go away if there was one story coming from the government and not several.
yesterday the CDC had a warning up about ebola virus from coughs and sneezes on faucets and handles. today they took it down. the White House says there is nothing to fear. the SecDef says follow the 21 day protocol. some governors have done semi quarantines. no doubt the public unease and ignorance would go away if there was one story coming from the government and not several.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
It's a Hail Mary to hold the Senate. The plan is to drive octogenarian GOP voters into such a frenzy that they have heart attacks.
Haven't seen Pio in days...
It's a Hail Mary to hold the Senate. The plan is to drive octogenarian GOP voters into such a frenzy that they have heart attacks.
Haven't seen Pio in days...
unofan
Well-known member
No it wouldn't. Then it'd just be a conspiracy because the government is silencing the dissenting voices.
You really think those who stand to gain from inciting panic wouldn't find a way to do so anyway? **** we still have a significant portion of this country who believes the earth is only 6000 years old. You're not going to eliminate crazy, the problem is in cowering to it rather than ignoring it.
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Screw that. Let the right wing gun nuts use the anti-vaxxer wing nuts for target practice. Keep 'em both busy and out of the voting booths.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
So let me get this straight. Any time someone robs a store, we know they have a high chance to do it again once they are out. Should we lock them up as long they are considered a threat? Lifetime probation? Call the PO twice a day until they are cured?
So let me get this straight. Any time someone robs a store, we know they have a high chance to do it again once they are out. Should we lock them up as long they are considered a threat? Lifetime probation? Call the PO twice a day until they are cured?
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Priceless
Guest
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Yes, I'm sure an educated, fact-filled, unified message from all medical experts and levels of government (as if that's even possible) will solve everything because the opposition has been so reasonable up to this point.
Yes, I'm sure an educated, fact-filled, unified message from all medical experts and levels of government (as if that's even possible) will solve everything because the opposition has been so reasonable up to this point.
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Welcome back. This wouldn't have happened if Ron Klain were still alive.
Welcome back. This wouldn't have happened if Ron Klain were still alive.
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
W. T. F. ? "opposition"? there is NO "opposition" here!
there are different people all struggling to come to grips with a unique situation that we haven't had to deal with since 1917. No one is "opposed" to anyone, people are debating different opinions about how to deal with a difficult situation in which there is no clearcut single "right" answer. Everyone involved is trying to balance a competing set of important priorities.
Just because people might have different opinions about the situation, that doesn't make them "opposed"
-- even though individual liberties are important, we also have to protect public safety
-- just because we have to protect public safety, we cannot ignore individual liberties
Those statements are not "opposed" they are in general agreement with the difference being where you draw the balancing line. Each statement recognizes the validity of the other, they merely have a difference in emphasis of one over the other.
Even that [redacted] nurse in Maine agreed to stay three feet away from anyone else, avoid public places, and consent to active monitoring of her condition. Even she acknowledged that the public safety advocates have reason and logic on their side, and her debate was merely over where to draw the balancing line.
The only way a person could even see "opposition" in the first place would be if they are not even trying to deal with the situation at hand at all, and instead are merely concerned with how to "manage people's reactions" to the situation.
Is there anything that isn't "politics first" with you?
W. T. F. ? "opposition"? there is NO "opposition" here!
there are different people all struggling to come to grips with a unique situation that we haven't had to deal with since 1917. No one is "opposed" to anyone, people are debating different opinions about how to deal with a difficult situation in which there is no clearcut single "right" answer. Everyone involved is trying to balance a competing set of important priorities.
Just because people might have different opinions about the situation, that doesn't make them "opposed"
-- even though individual liberties are important, we also have to protect public safety
-- just because we have to protect public safety, we cannot ignore individual liberties
Those statements are not "opposed" they are in general agreement with the difference being where you draw the balancing line. Each statement recognizes the validity of the other, they merely have a difference in emphasis of one over the other.
Even that [redacted] nurse in Maine agreed to stay three feet away from anyone else, avoid public places, and consent to active monitoring of her condition. Even she acknowledged that the public safety advocates have reason and logic on their side, and her debate was merely over where to draw the balancing line.
The only way a person could even see "opposition" in the first place would be if they are not even trying to deal with the situation at hand at all, and instead are merely concerned with how to "manage people's reactions" to the situation.
Is there anything that isn't "politics first" with you?
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Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
There isn't even "opposition" to Obama.
even here, we can see the immediate (helpful) influence of Ron Klain: it seems clear he told Obama to stop talking about Ebola entirely, and unbelievably, Obama went along.
If you don't want to look like you are trying to manage people's reactions, stop trying to manage people's reactions. The situation will play itself out over time no matter what, so the less you say, the less there is to react to.
We all fervently hope that we've seen the last of cases on US soil, and any further debate over temporary isolation vs public safety will be merely theoretical from now on.
There isn't even "opposition" to Obama.
even here, we can see the immediate (helpful) influence of Ron Klain: it seems clear he told Obama to stop talking about Ebola entirely, and unbelievably, Obama went along.
If you don't want to look like you are trying to manage people's reactions, stop trying to manage people's reactions. The situation will play itself out over time no matter what, so the less you say, the less there is to react to.
We all fervently hope that we've seen the last of cases on US soil, and any further debate over temporary isolation vs public safety will be merely theoretical from now on.
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huskyfan
New member
I would ask too, who is the opposition? I cant imagine any American wants an Ebola outbreak in the United States. its a shame this issue was so quickly politicized. yes, there is disagreement over how to deal with it. thats when we turn to the experts. I wish they had more agreement in their answers. it makes me think they dont know and that is scarier than the wing nuts on both sides.
BTW, the amount of people in the US who believe the earth was formed 6000 years ago is very small, you make it sound like any person of any religious belief believes this. that isnt so and should be stopped being flung at anyone who doesnt agree with you.
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Priceless
Guest
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Oh please. Not everyone is trying to deal with this in a reasonable manner. People who spread panic and misinformation are certainly the opposition.
For instance someone who tries to insinuate that this is a worldwide pandemic on par with say, the Spanish Flu outbreak during World War I, isn't trying to help solve a crisis but fan the flames of fear.
It's hard to be "Politics First" with this when the ideological boundaries have already been established. Either you trust science or you think it's a conspiracy. I trust science.
Further, I would define people who WANT Kaci Hickox to get Ebola, or have made death threats against her, as "the opposition." Do you believe either is a reasonable reaction?
Lastly, I am not the one bringing up 6000 years in my posts. Thank you for not confusing us.
ETA: I would also point out that for simply questioning whether we had to invade Iraq or turn the country into a police state, many of us were deemed "the opposition" and compared with such luminaries as Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. So spare me the whining about "politics first" or labeling people "the opposition."
W. T. F. ? "opposition"? there is NO "opposition" here!
The only way a person could even see "opposition" in the first place would be if they are not even trying to deal with the situation at hand at all, and instead are merely concerned with how to "manage people's reactions" to the situation.
Is there anything that isn't "politics first" with you?
Oh please. Not everyone is trying to deal with this in a reasonable manner. People who spread panic and misinformation are certainly the opposition.
For instance someone who tries to insinuate that this is a worldwide pandemic on par with say, the Spanish Flu outbreak during World War I, isn't trying to help solve a crisis but fan the flames of fear.
It's hard to be "Politics First" with this when the ideological boundaries have already been established. Either you trust science or you think it's a conspiracy. I trust science.
Further, I would define people who WANT Kaci Hickox to get Ebola, or have made death threats against her, as "the opposition." Do you believe either is a reasonable reaction?
Lastly, I am not the one bringing up 6000 years in my posts. Thank you for not confusing us.
ETA: I would also point out that for simply questioning whether we had to invade Iraq or turn the country into a police state, many of us were deemed "the opposition" and compared with such luminaries as Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. So spare me the whining about "politics first" or labeling people "the opposition."
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FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Yeah, what a "[redacted]" she was to ask for reason with regards to a quarantine for a disease she hasn't even shown definitive symptoms of, and has now twice failed to test positive for.
Yeah, what a "[redacted]" she was to ask for reason with regards to a quarantine for a disease she hasn't even shown definitive symptoms of, and has now twice failed to test positive for.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Honestly. With this presidency there's been way too many "***"s. You know, there is disagreement and then there's "what the hell are you doing?!?!!"... things that are just out of step... that are just confusing or just bewildering.
We just want to make sure appropriate things are done and that care is taken. When those aren't indicated then... I mean seriously... what the ****.
Honestly. With this presidency there's been way too many "***"s. You know, there is disagreement and then there's "what the hell are you doing?!?!!"... things that are just out of step... that are just confusing or just bewildering.
We just want to make sure appropriate things are done and that care is taken. When those aren't indicated then... I mean seriously... what the ****.
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Priceless
Guest
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
I like the idea that she is doing this to get famous. Most people want to become famous head to Hollywood, New York City or Nashville...not her! She's going to Fort Kent! Definitely the road to fame!
Yeah, what a "[redacted]" she was to ask for reason with regards to a quarantine for a disease she hasn't even shown definitive symptoms of, and has now twice failed to test positive for.
I like the idea that she is doing this to get famous. Most people want to become famous head to Hollywood, New York City or Nashville...not her! She's going to Fort Kent! Definitely the road to fame!