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Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

St. A's is looking to go into the Atlantic League (D1). They have the rink (they just have to finish the seating behind the benches). It would be in the top half of that league for rinks.

SNHU does not want to get ride of hockey. I know that a few years ago they had a deal with Bud to put a rink on campus but due to Budwieser wanting naming rights, that didn't fly with the NCAA.

Everything else in the previous post was correct.
 
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

St.A's will not spend the money to field 2(m,w) DI hockey programs.
they looked at the atlantic league a number of years ago and decided against it.Nothing has happened to change their minds.
As for SNHU,DI is not an option
 
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

hawkhockey said:
St.A's will not spend the money to field 2(m,w) DI hockey programs.
they looked at the atlantic league a number of years ago and decided against it.Nothing has happened to change their minds.
As for SNHU,DI is not an option
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I have been to the St. A's campus and it looks and feels like a D3 school; I believe the school has something like 2,000+- students. I would think it would be prudent and reasonable to drop down to D3 in all sports. Maybe something can tell me why basketball has such power/control in the school. I have seen a few D3 basketball games and they are very competitive in there own right, maybe almost as good as the D2 schools.
 
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hawk said:
I have been to the St. A's campus and it looks and feels like a D3 school; I believe the school has something like 2,000+- students. I would think it would be prudent and reasonable to drop down to D3 in all sports. Maybe something can tell me why basketball has such power/control in the school. I have seen a few D3 basketball games and they are very competitive in there own right, maybe almost as good as the D2 schools.
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St.A's has a little less than 2000 students
I agree,DIII makes all the sense in the world,if not for the DIII moratorium
Basketball to ST.A's is similar to Hockey at St.Lawrence,clarkson RPI etc..
it is not crucial to the college as a scholarship sport but it has some traditional value.
 
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joecct said:
It is possible with the right schedule for an AHA team to be one of the top 4 national seeds - if they schedule things right and have a great W-L record.
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You seem to be saying that if AHA and NE10 agreed to schedule only each other, that the top teams in those leagues would end up with inflated PWRs due to the reduced competition.

I suppose that's true, but there are more reasons than PWR considerations that AHA teams wouldn't give up their OOC games to the NE10.


Powers &8^]
 
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LtPowers said:
You seem to be saying that if AHA and NE10 agreed to schedule only each other, that the top teams in those leagues would end up with inflated PWRs due to the reduced competition.

I suppose that's true, but there are more reasons than PWR considerations that AHA teams wouldn't give up their OOC games to the NE10.


Powers &8^]
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Not quite

In a scenario that has a D1/2 National Championship, a game between an AHA school and an NE10 school counts just the same as a game between the WCHA and HEA.

Let's look @ the RPI for D1 --
25% your winning %
21% your opponent's winning %
54% your opponent's opponents winning %

Now for the Pair Wise Ranking - which is used to seed teams into the NCAA tournament...
RPI
Record vs. teams under consideration (10 games min)
Common Opponents
Head to Head

The TuC is defined as the top 25 in RPI.

Unless an AHA or NE10 team looks outside into HEA, CCHA, or WCHA, it is doubtful that Common Opponents or Head2Head will come into play against the "power" conferences.

So the whole key to the PWR for them would be the RPI and you can gerrymander that by selective scheduling against the right opponents and conferences.

If RIT is 12-1-0 coming into a game against 9-3 St. Anselm, it would mean just the same as if NoDak (12-1) and Michigan (9-3) played. Just because everyone knows that the WCHA and CCHA would wipe the planet against the AHA and NE10 does not decrease the statistical impact of the game -- and D1 is all about the numbers.

I'm not the stats wiz (I believe Prof is), but if the NE10 and AHA play almost exclusively against themselves in the OOC, AND each league has a good stratification of haves and have nots, it would seem logical that they would have good RPI/PWR numbers and could have a few teams as TuC's.

I have a hunch that the NCAA will do nothing to address the current situation other to ensure that the rich schools get richer and the rest of us get thrown a bone now and then.

BTW, anyone hear anything on the Interlock?????
 
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joecct said:
If RIT is 12-1-0 coming into a game against 9-3 St. Anselm, it would mean just the same as if NoDak (12-1) and Michigan (9-3) played. Just because everyone knows that the WCHA and CCHA would wipe the planet against the AHA and NE10 does not decrease the statistical impact of the game -- and D1 is all about the numbers.
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Of course, any national ranking system is dependent on having a mix of out-of-conference games. A walled garden skews results, which is essentially what I said.

But I still don't see it happening. It would require collusion on the part of all of the ADs and coaches not to schedule games against better competition, and that, quite simply, isn't going to happen. There's no point in making the NCAAs if you've not been able to test yourself against that level of competition and have some idea of where you stack up.


Powers &8^]
 
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Apparently this is the month that the DII's are supposed to find out what their fate will be. Does anyone know what day that is supposed to be happening.

If they were able to be granted D3 status they could potentially create there own NE 10 conference if St. A's and St. Michael's decided to leave the East anyways and I don't see why they wouldn't when the other teams are pushing them out next year anyways which means that if a new team emerged in D3 and joined the new Div. III NE 10 hockey Conference then they could get an Automatic Qualifier.
 
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Well now that the NESCAC has voted to do away with the interlock, it's time for someone in the ECAC East to lead the way and form a supper league. I like Norwich, NEC, USM, Babson, Castleton, Neuman, Manhattanville, Skidmore, Curry, and Wentworth.
 
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Here is one prespective on the strength of the NESCAC from 12/7/07 - Ron Liebowitz, president of Middlebury College:

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NESCAC, arguably the most successful D-III conference in the division, is also the conference with the most stringent rules that govern varsity athletics, including the length of each season, the number of contests, student eligibility, practice schedules, recruiting policy, post-season play, and others.
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It didn’t seem right to me (or “fair”) that some of our varsity teams compete against programs with student bodies that are two, three, and even five times the size of Middlebury’s—programs that begin their seasons weeks ahead of our teams, with many more games/contests under their belts before post-season play, and with fewer other restrictions on their recruiting, admissions, and other relevant areas.
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NUProf said:
That's what I'm afraid of. They play a 24 game regular season all internally...
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I would be shocked at that - the only sport in which the NESCAC is all internal is fball and that's because of the large league size (10 teams) and the limited number of games (8 games). Teams in all other sports play some OCC games and usually quite a few. If each NESCAC team plays a home-and-home series, that will produce a conference schedule of 18 games and should leave room for 6 OCC games for each team.
 
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

So Midd plays two in the prime link and two more in the holiday tournament. That would leave two games left. Hopefully Norwich and Plattsburgh
 
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