Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

[cooperalls]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

NOrwich/Middlebury is a bigger rivalry than most D1 games as far as attendance goes isn't it? I'll agree with you as far as home and home develops bigger and better conference rivalries and if it allows them to continue on with the bigger local rivalries with some of the East teams that has been established over the years.

If it is true that the interlock is over, and Charlie would be in a position to know, the schedule for Midd and NESCAC teams wouldn't be all bad. I like the idea of home and away against conference opponents. The rivalries get better and the paybacks can come in the same season even before the playoffs. I won't miss the two D-2 teams that don't count for NCAA considerations, nor will I miss some of the other ECAC East teams that are rarely competitive. I will miss games against Babson, NEC, Skidmore, etc.. For Midd, we'll likely continue to see Norwich at the Primelink and perhaps on a Tuesday night in Jan or Feb. I would guess we'll see USM over the New Year's tourney given the brothers both coaching. Maybe we'll see Castleton or Skidmore on a Tuesday night, too. Perhaps the Primelink will be the only chance to see Plattsburgh and Norwich some seasons in order to find room for other foes? Seeing teams like Bowdoin, Colby, Amherst, Williams, Hamilton and Trinity at home every season will be exciting. Yeah, Conn, Tufts, Wes might be ho-hum, but no reason to believe they won't be getting better.

 

[norm1909]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Can/do coaches sway admissions? Yes - at least in the NESCAC

... the coach's assessment of the athletic ability and potential contribution of each candidate is considered. Be aware that coaches at different colleges may evaluate the same student-athlete's ability differently. Positional considerations may also lead to different assessments of an applicant's value to a team.

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I want to be on the NCAA Rules Commitee because...

 

[The Real Georgia Peach]

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If you think that the powers that be in the NESCAC care about the DII teams or the ECAC-E DivIII teams, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn. NESCAC cares about NESCAC....it's the olny thing that matters in their world. The Div III &Div II issues will work themselves out some way. And the Midd-Norwich rivalry will go the way of their football program..........Sad

 

[NUProf]

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If you think that the powers that be in the NESCAC care about the DII teams or the ECAC-E DivIII teams, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn. NESCAC cares about NESCAC....it's the olny thing that matters in their world. The Div III &Div II issues will work themselves out some way. And the Midd-Norwich rivalry will go the way of their football program..........Sad

This is what I was afraid of from the time that the NESCAC split from the ECAC East. This was a train wreck that has been happening in slow motion for years. It is ironic that the NESCAC reportedly forced the ECAC East's hands in the choice of a replacement for SSC using the threat of ending the interlock. (This concept has been described here by people who know more than I) If true, and if the other option was a stronger program from the NE, that hurts the ECAC E going forward after the divorce.

Obviously, they are going to do what they are going to do, but I agree that this is bad for DIII hockey in the "CCCP." Furthermore, if neumeyer's suggestion that Midd/NU and Midd/Platts might happen only during the Primelink is truly sad.

 

[WillieC]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

If you think that the powers that be in the NESCAC care about the DII teams or the ECAC-E DivIII teams, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn. NESCAC cares about NESCAC....it's the olny thing that matters in their world. The Div III &Div II issues will work themselves out some way. And the Midd-Norwich rivalry will go the way of their football program..........Sad

If you take stock in anything written on this forum....then I have a bridge for you!

 

[joecct]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

If you take stock in anything written on this forum....then I have a bridge for you!

This one??

 

[norm1909]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

If you take stock in anything written on this forum....then I have a bridge for you!

"Anything" is pretty inclusive, and not that I think you are that may be far off base, but what would you pick as the top three forum topic's that were later proven to be significant fallacies?

IMO, this forum does a really great job at "getting it right"

 

[neumyer]

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." Furthermore, if neumeyer's suggestion that Midd/NU and Midd/Platts might happen only during the Primelink is truly sad.

It's not a suggestion, it is speculation. I have no impact on what is happening and I know nothing concrete. For that matter, wouldn't it be odd if the interlock isn't going away afterall and all this worrying is unnecessary!

 

[CROSBYNU63]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Would you like to place a small bet on it?

It's not a suggestion, it is speculation. I have no impact on what is happening and I know nothing concrete. For that matter, wouldn't it be odd if the interlock isn't going away afterall and all this worrying is unnecessary!

 

[NUProf]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

It's not a suggestion, it is speculation. I have no impact on what is happening and I know nothing concrete. For that matter, wouldn't it be odd if the interlock isn't going away afterall and all this worrying is unnecessary!

Suggestion, speculation, same thing - when you speculate, you suggest that something might happen. That aside it would still be a sad state of affairs. I truly hope that this worrying is all premature, but I fear it isn't.

 

[neumyer]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Suggestion, speculation, same thing - when you speculate, you suggest that something might happen. That aside it would still be a sad state of affairs. I truly hope that this worrying is all premature, but I fear it isn't.

Why is it all bad for the ECAC East? You can start playing in October like most all the other leagues, pick up Manhattanville, Wentworth, Curry and whomever and start some new rivalries to go along with the ones that are already tremendous and I am sure that Midd will continue to be one.

 

[neumyer]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Suggestion, speculation, same thing - when you speculate, you suggest that something might happen.

Suggest=recommend Speculate=guess

 

[PSUC92]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

If you take stock in anything written on this forum....then I have a bridge for you!

Some NESCAC coches have always hated the idea of playing "down" with teams like Castleton, New England College, and St. Michael's. The smarter coaches liked the interlock, but once other East teams starting becoming competitive, they decided to crawl back into the protective shell of inscestual scheduling. Too bad. It's good for NESCAC, bad for college hockey.

Notice nobody is talking about keeping the Castleton-Middlebury game on the schedule. That's a shame.

 

[NUProf]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Suggest=recommend Speculate=guess

Depends on context...

 

[norm1909]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Depends on context...

Context - is that prison prose?


suggestion - A psychological process by which an idea is induced in or adopted by another without argument, command, or coercion.

speculation - Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.

Both courtesy of The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

 

[neumyer]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Notice nobody is talking about keeping the Castleton-Middlebury game on the schedule. That's a shame.

See post 219

 

[The Real Georgia Peach]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

I can see a day in the not too distant future when the NESCAC will turn even more inward and there will be no OOC games in any sport, making all rivalries moot, except those within NESCAC. Soccer, Lax, B'Ball......gone This is a speculated suggestion.

 

[WillieC]

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Can/do coaches sway admissions?

Yes - at least in the NESCAC

And reading the next paragraph you find.....
"It is important to remember that this is a college admission process with an athletic component, not an athletic recruiting process that comes with the opportunity to attend college. NESCAC coaches actively identify and recruit student-athletes and act as advocates for them; but no coach at any NESCAC college has the authority to offer, promise or otherwise guarantee a spot in the incoming class to any recruited student-athlete."

 

[neumyer]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

I can see a day in the not too distant future when the NESCAC will turn even more inward and there will be no OOC games in any sport, making all rivalries moot, except those within NESCAC. Soccer, Lax, B'Ball......gone This is a speculated suggestion.

Conjured up by smoking what?

 

[norm1909]

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And reading the next paragraph you find.....
"It is important to remember that this is a college admission process with an athletic component, not an athletic recruiting process that comes with the opportunity to attend college. NESCAC coaches actively identify and recruit student-athletes and act as advocates for them; but no coach at any NESCAC college has the authority to offer, promise or otherwise guarantee a spot in the incoming class to any recruited student-athlete."

For PC-ness Seriously, I do give the NESCAC credit for sincerity and clarity on the issue, though IMO, athletic ability should have NO influence in admission to a DIII institution.