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Dump Term 2, Part 2: "A third term would be a big shattering."

I've read Mein Kampf, as did my grandfather after the war. It's a literal screed of anti-intellectualism, anti-miscegenation. hatred of democracy, and anger at being born into a shitty family - and that's just the English translation. 😲
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I've read Mein Kampf, as did my grandfather after the war. It's a literal screed of anti-intellectualism, anti-miscegenation. hatred of democracy, and anger at being born into a shitty family - and that's just the English translation. 😲
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I can relate to the last part. The rest of it is BS.
 
I think this review of his book Abundance sums it up nicely.

Authors are informative in their way, but open little new ground. They are a bit loquacious, too often unfocused, and rarely practical in their approach to undeniable problems. We do need to know about, and must not turn our backs on the issues addressed here: housing shortages, lagging inventiveness, governmental sclerosis, and climate issues. Particularly in the current retrogressive administration into which we have been dragged by a semi-conscious plurality, we need to keep our collective eye on the ball. However, the authors (they seem to admit) are largely relegated to the role of cheerleaders for lack of practical - and practicable - solutions. The authors do not address the two seriously complicating issues that stand in the way of theoretical remedies: (1) seemingly intractable and worsening income inequality, and (2) the morally bankrupt abandonment of decency by MAGAmerica. The authors’ self-flagellating placement of blame on (undefined) “liberals” does not shed any useful light on the path to solutions. The book is well worth reading, but be prepared for some annoyance and frustration.
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Handyman said:
The knives aren't going to come out because they will be paid to put them away. (plus there is no non-MAGA GOP left...those with knives were kicked out) You think Trump is handled with kid gloves...watch what the media does to Vance and his Tech Bro Alliance.
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There will be a faction, maybe a large well-funded one, who will try. But others will jockey for position and the center will not hold, it will become an n-sided civil war.

You are right that it's not Dump, it's the ocean of vicious derp. But Dump is a lens that bring all his followers into common focus. Dump is the fascist eye correction. Without him the MAGAts are blurry and unfocused and there is no lethal threat to rightwing upstarts and rebels, and it becomes a free for all.
 
Kepler said:
Wait, what did Ezra do? I like him. Why am I bad for liking him?
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Ezra Klein does not like you. You are the problem according to Ezra Klein, because you want to protect people from those that would exploit them.

Klein is the face of Abundance. Klein is a POS Centrist who blames California zoning laws for why there is a homeless problem and thinks they should be repealed in order to get rich people to build more. Nevermind that what they build won't be "low cost" and nevermind that they will exploit the lack of rules to ignore al safety regulations for the workers and eventual owners...REGULATIONS BAD!! RICH PEOPLE GOOD!!!!!
 
And, as Ezra Klein states in his book we still get nothing done.

Until Reagan worship is eradicated from Planet Earth the United States will continue it's decline.
 
Handyman said:
Ezra Klein does not like you. You are the problem according to Ezra Klein, because you want to protect people from those that would exploit them.

Klein is the face of Abundance. Klein is a POS Centrist who blames California zoning laws for why there is a homeless problem and thinks they should be repealed in order to get rich people to build more. Nevermind that what they build won't be "low cost" and nevermind that they will exploit the lack of rules to ignore al safety regulations for the workers and eventual owners...REGULATIONS BAD!! RICH PEOPLE GOOD!!!!!
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Huh. I did not know that. I thought Ezra was a Pod Save America type who figured out the working class hates democracy and is trying to find ways to save the world against the wishes of its poorest 50% and richest .01%. Which I entirely agree with.

Elitist communism FTW!
 
Kepler said:
There will be a faction, maybe a large well-funded one, who will try. But others will jockey for position and the center will not hold, it will become an n-sided civil war.

You are right that it's not Dump, it's the ocean of vicious derp. But Dump is a lens that bring all his followers into common focus. Dump is the fascist eye correction. Without him the MAGAts are blurry and unfocused and there is no lethal threat to rightwing upstarts and rebels, and it becomes a free for all.
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Sorry but there is no one that is going to even challenge the leadership. The people with enough clout to do so like say Miller or Hegseth or Bannon will just fall in lockstep because Vance won't stop them in any way. Congress? They aren't going to do squat because they are too lazy to do anything.

This movement is past the point of needing the charsimatic leader because half the country is now Anti-Democracy. If Trump dies tomorrow it changes nothing about where we are headed and the more The Left tries to pretend that isn't the case the more likely we are to lose in the short and middle term. Trump doesn't contrl anything, his mob does. And they also control him. That is why he rarely takes credit for the vaccines, and when he does he backtracks. He knows (as do all of MAGA) that crazies are really in charge and they are everywhere.
 
Kepler said:
Huh. I did not know that. I thought Ezra was a Pod Save America type who figured out the working class hates democracy and is trying to find ways to save the world against the wishes of its poorest 50% and richest .01%. Which I entirely agree with.

Elitist communism FTW!
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He is/was...and Pod Save America can phuck off and die. Those are the type of clowns that ruined the Harris Campaign. Hell they just had a debate on Abundance and somehow no one was on it to talk about why it doesn't work in any real capacity. They have one coming up on Trans Rights and the Trans person had to drop out and they are just going ahead without any Trans representation a of now.

A lot of those people got famous because they were in Obama's campaign...but they had zero to do with why he won and almost everything to do with why his presidency was a disappointment. They aren't geniuses...they are Third Way loving losers who would sell us all out if given the chance. While Abundance flies in the face of Newsom...I will bet my mortgage payment come the primaries they will tell us all why we have to plug our nose and vote for him and not talk about any issue they feel is too "Left".
 
Handyman said:
Sorry but there is no one that is going to even challenge the leadership. The people with enough clout to do so like say Miller or Hegseth or Bannon will just fall in lockstep because Vance won't stop them in any way. Congress? They aren't going to do squat because they are too lazy to do anything.

This movement is past the point of needing the charsimatic leader because half the country is now Anti-Democracy. If Trump dies tomorrow it changes nothing about where we are headed and the more The Left tries to pretend that isn't the case the more likely we are to lose in the short and middle term. Trump doesn't contrl anything, his mob does. And they also control him. That is why he rarely takes credit for the vaccines, and when he does he backtracks. He knows (as do all of MAGA) that crazies are really in charge and they are everywhere.
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There is no leadership. There is only the cudgel of the angry, unified mass, a force. But the moment it is no longer unified it just washes itself out in a million different directions.

Dump was able to unify them because his superpower is he is exempt from any criticism. Without that, many others will try but they'll undercut each other or even self-contradict. Think of all the way Dump self-contradicts. The only reason the force remains a factor is, somehow, through dark magic, Dump's contradictions do not matter. But nobody else is going to be able to get the masses lined up while being an entitled laughably out of touch billionaire, slandering others as pedophiles while he is a pedophile, accusing others of stealing elections while he attempted a coup, accusing others of being "nasty" while he is the worst person on earth, commanding the loyalty of religious fundies while being the single most profane, irreligious, anti-Christian this side of Aleister Crowley.

Fascism won't die with Dump but it will lose its magical Billy Mays.
 
Handyman said:
He is/was...and Pod Save America can phuck off and die. Those are the type of clowns that ruined the Harris Campaign. Hell they just had a debate on Abundance and somehow no one was on it to talk about why it doesn't work in any real capacity. They have one coming up on Trans Rights and the Trans person had to drop out and they are just going ahead without any Trans representation a of now.

A lot of those people got famous because they were in Obama's campaign...but they had zero to do with why he won and almost everything to do with why his presidency was a disappointment. They aren't geniuses...they are Third Way loving losers who would sell us all out if given the chance. While Abundance flies in the face of Newsom...I will bet my mortgage payment come the primaries they will tell us all why we have to plug our nose and vote for him and not talk about any issue they feel is too "Left".
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Dr. Mrs. listens to Pod all the time, I don't. But I have not heard them slag the Left and I am sensitive to that. I have not heard them preach third way or centrism. I have heard them whole heartedly support Mamdani and AOC. They slobber all over guests with this week's demographic flavor, and that's tiresome, but it's everybody on the left and the price of the ticket to keep the lofos engaged.

So I think you may be wrong here when it comes to their supposed anti-Leftism. If they are anti-traditional 50s Trotskyite blue collar leftism, well, good. We raise the Poors out of poverty not because the Poors are noble but precisely because poverty makes people ignoble.

Like a dog lying in a corner
They will bite you and never warn you
Look out, they'll tear your insides out
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I've never heard of "Abundance," so I can't speak to it. If it's Liberals who supported Proposition 13 then I am obviously out. Sign me up for Georgism strengthened by Picketty, Pigovian and Severance taxes and strict election finance reform.

Those are all highly intellectual solutions. Again, good. If the last 30 years have taught us nothing else, it's that salt of the earth common sense is ruinous stupidity. Working economic solutions are like any other field of expertise: they are going to come from tier 1 graduate programs and if that makes the envious derps angry fuck em, admission requirements are there for a reason. Either we can do the hard work and admit most of us are idiots who will never be able to follow the math, or we can pretend all our opinions matter and stay mired in the status quo. Healthy economy or healthy ego. Our choice.
 
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All the current Dems can phuck off. I am tired of this shit. You have a party since 1980 has been bending them over and all they do is say harder please.

The one piece of major legislation they passed was Obamacare and they caved to the Abundance phuckwits. Regulation IS NOT the Democrats fault. It's not. Regulation is there because the Capitalist fuckwad Republicans cannot control themselves. Should shit be more streamlined and easier to do, yes. Should it have taken Bill Maher over a year to put in his Solar shit, no. But that does not change the fact that the only protection people have from being killed by other humans is government and one party has no interest in having one and the other party is too busy being nice and selling out for cash to care.
 
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Who are these "Dem strategists"? It's amazing that the NYT or any outlet at all can't name a single one of them.
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Oh, fucking Carville had one of his YouTube things last week urging everyone to stand up and fight, the time was NOW!!! or something like that.

The same Carville who a day or two after the election was urging Democrats to just keep their heads down, don't do anything, and Donnie would punch himself out in a month.

Worthless, the whole lot of them.
 
I assume today's announcement is going to be changing DoD to Dept of War? Because that sounds bad-ass to people who have never actually served?
 
rufus said:
Oh, fucking Carville had one of his YouTube things last week urging everyone to stand up and fight, the time was NOW!!! or something like that.

The same Carville who a day or two after the election was urging Democrats to just keep their heads down, don't do anything, and Donnie would punch himself out in a month.

Worthless, the whole lot of them.
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Carville is terrible.
 
Carville is the poster child for the problem in the Democratic Party. Campaign by Focus Group.

If Harris had not taken on some of these clowns right before the Convention who knows where we are. Look at the vibes of the campaign before and then look after. Those clowns told her to keep Walz quiet, they told her to be a hardliner on immigration, they told her to ignore Gaza (and not let Palestinians speak at the Convention) and not break with Biden on anything and they told her to act "tough on crime" and be vague on social issues. Keep in mind, many of these people were the ones who were also convincing Joe Biden things were going great when (according to leaks) internal numbers had him losing in a friggin landslide. (Trump was getting 400EVs in some polling) They also had her not talking about the issues enough even when the media was burning them for her not talking about the issues.

The Dems are the Party of "we just don't want to offend" and these experts know that and exploit it. They defy conventional wisdom at every turn. Crime is down and the President is using the military to take control of Blue Cities...Dems admit crime is a problem and now are being advised to not even talk about the occupations. The VAST majority (90+% in some polling) of Dem voters and supporters want the Genocide to end...Dem Leadership either ignores it or is so wishy washy it makes me sea sick. Trump's numbers on immigration are in the toilet because of the illegal deportations...Dem Leadership tells their people to shut up and stop going there in person. Why? because these experts have them convinced that it is better to court the mythical "Former GOP Voter in Exile" than to make sure the people who break their backs for you feel represented in the Party. Better to get the Lincoln Project than support the LGBTQ...

Want proof look who the Dems in Maine are going to run and then see who the experts want to run.
 
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