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Dump Term 2, 1.01: Sleep Now in the Fire

Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
In the voice of piper posey:

“Gretchen, nooooo”
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She was there to fight for Michigan, not bend the knee.

Because the photo of her in thr back of the oval feels very much "I don't want to be here but I have to."


Also, that sound bite of her doing a good job for the state is gonna be really useful to torpedo the GOP candidates for Gov.
 
aparch said:
She was there to fight for Michigan, not bend the knee.

Because the photo of her in thr back of the oval feels very much "I don't want to be here but I have to."


Also, that sound bite of her doing a good job for the state is gonna be really useful to torpedo the GOP candidates for Gov.
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Oh I know. I love Gretchen

But I had to use the posey lime somewhere and this fit
 
rufus said:
That's only cause those guard rails aren't strong enough, because they've been chipped away at by decades of wealthy people's influence.

That's why we need the 75% tax rate, and the end of the estate tax $10 million exemption, so familial wealth doesn't accumulate, and the influence of wealth on this country's government policy is diminished, if not eradicated entirely.
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I'm onboard if you throw in mandatory forfeiture of all assets AND capital punishment for large scale tax evasion or Enron/Arthur Andersen/Worldcom type accounting fraud. Major tax evasion should be considered akin to treason.
 
Along the lines of getting a cut, all the money these companies get selling our data, however ways they exploit it to make a buck, every one of us should get a cut of it.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I'm onboard if you throw in mandatory forfeiture of all assets AND capital punishment for large scale tax evasion or Enron/Arthur Andersen/Worldcom type accounting fraud. Major tax evasion should be considered akin to treason.
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If corporations are to be considered people I want them to be able to be jailed. Any corporation convicted of a felony shall immediately be placed under the control of the government for a period of time. The board shall be chosen by the government, any transfer of stock ownership must be approved by the government, and any profit made immediately goes into the general fund. Should the corporation even attempt to not do its best effort to maintain shareholder value, all assets are immediately seized.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Problem is, packing the court and overturning Citizens United doesn’t undo the gerrymandering in red states. It doesn’t get rid of the Electoral College. It doesn’t prevent a Republican administration coming along and undoing everything that wasn’t nailed down. It doesn’t fix the structural problems.

That’s the biggest problem with some of y’all, thinking patchwork jobs are real solutions when we need to be going for the throat. Until we can slam the door and definitively say “NO!”, then any changes made mean absolute dick.
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Yeah...you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Now that the cracks have been exposed everyone is going to exploit them to their own ends just like everything else. Temporary fixes won't work.

And there is not 50 senators that will support packing the court that is a friggin pipe dream. There is always going to be some Joe Manchin wannabe who will block it in the name of bipartisanship or some other antiquated ideal. Ruben Gallego or Klobuchar or Kelly or Slotkin...it is never happening.

There are certain points you hit, certain things get broken and you cannot go back and fix them. We are there. Short of a filibuster proof majority in the senate, a House majority that is enough to not worry about defections and a super popular Dem President that is willing to make tough choices (along with enough States willing to vote if a Constitutional Amendment is needed) we are just kicking the can down the road. Right now we are in the equivalent of the period before the Civil War (Missouri Compromise, Kanas-Nebraska Act...etc.) where we are just trying to hold it together with duct tape and not actually fixing the overall issue. As long as 40+% of the country doesn't believe in Democracy or the responsibility that comes with living in a society we are doomed to repeat this cycle ad infinitum.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I told my wife that once she has her passport, we'll be getting burner devices for international travel and leaving our regular phones at home.
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My GF feels the same way...I reminded her we are White so it will be a few years before they care about us. That said I already bowed out of her parents yearly trip to Mexico :p
 
Handyman said:
Yeah...you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Now that the cracks have been exposed everyone is going to exploit them to their own ends just like everything else. Temporary fixes won't work.

And there is not 50 senators that will support packing the court that is a friggin pipe dream. There is always going to be some Joe Manchin wannabe who will block it in the name of bipartisanship or some other antiquated ideal. Ruben Gallego or Klobuchar or Kelly or Slotkin...it is never happening.

There are certain points you hit, certain things get broken and you cannot go back and fix them. We are there. Short of a filibuster proof majority in the senate, a House majority that is enough to not worry about defections and a super popular Dem President that is willing to make tough choices (along with enough States willing to vote if a Constitutional Amendment is needed) we are just kicking the can down the road. Right now we are in the equivalent of the period before the Civil War (Missouri Compromise, Kanas-Nebraska Act...etc.) where we are just trying to hold it together with duct tape and not actually fixing the overall issue. As long as 40+% of the country doesn't believe in Democracy or the responsibility that comes with living in a society we are doomed to repeat this cycle ad infinitum.
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Honestly, the country is just too large and unwieldy it's kind of surprising it's taken this long for cracks to really appear.
 
And I am sorry, accuse me of freaking out if you like, but Whitmer deserves whatever crap she gets on this one. She can claim she was fighting for Michigan all she wants and she can whine she was blindsided but she is smarter than all that. She put herself in a position to be played and did so because she did exactly what we all have been saying no one should be doing. (taking audience with the King) I think this post says it correctly:

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Brandon Friedman (@brandonfriedman.bsky.social)

Whether this was an honest mistake or a regrettable decision, it is the result of treating fascists like a normal political opposition party instead of as the Nazis they are. If you truly believe they're evil (they are), then you're nowhere near the Oval Office under any circumstances.
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Whether she meant to or not, she gave him legitimacy by being there. Same as when the Union Leaders pull that move. She isn't Zelenskyy begging for help in a war...and he showed way more spine when he was in DC than she did.

I like Whitmer a lot, but she now looks like another Democrat who has no idea how to meet the moment. Now when she rails against him the easy response is "yet you went there trying to get something from him" and fair or not, it looks bad. If Walz did this I would be ticked off.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Honestly, the country is just too large and unwieldy it's kind of surprising it's taken this long for cracks to really appear.
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The cracks were always there...we just never had people who would exploit them. Everything is based on the idea that people act somewhat honorably and within the rules. (even if they are vile people with bad ideas) Democracy always fails when truly evil people have no problem exploiting the system.

Think of it like this...if a cop is not around why do you stop at a stop sign? In theory nothing can happen if you don't. We all do because that is the law and it makes us all safer to follow the rules of the road. Once people start not doing it though the whole thing breaks down.
 
Once the GOP proved they were anti-democratic terrorists we should have nixed them as a party. It would have been a tough pill but they're fucking Nazis FFS. The protections for political participation only apply to those who will continue our democratic institutions. If your plan is to use elections to end elections, fuck you, go to prison.
 
Handyman said:
The cracks were always there...we just never had people who would exploit them. Everything is based on the idea that people act somewhat honorably and within the rules. (even if they are vile people with bad ideas) Democracy always fails when truly evil people have no problem exploiting the system.

Think of it like this...if a cop is not around why do you stop at a stop sign? In theory nothing can happen if you don't. We all do because that is the law and it makes us all safer to follow the rules of the road. Once people start not doing it though the whole thing breaks down.
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We've always had people exploit the system, the South has been doing it for over a century FFS, I just don't think it's ever been this blatant.
 
It always amuses me when journalists (especially clowns at the NYTimes) post something on social media about how Trump is doing something bad because:

A) they act like they didn't enable him at every pass

B) the comments are usually people reminding them that they are nothing but fraudulent collaborators

I also admit, every time Andrew K (K-File guy) posts something I do it to him. I wont let people forget that he basically bothsides everything JD Vance lied about by saying Walz might have misremembered when he was in China in the 1980s. (still never confirmed the dates he was there or if there was some lie)
 
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Yeah...this is real.
 
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