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Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

Re: Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

The "kill, maim, pillage, burn" chant is directed at every single team MN plays - no exceptions. So to claim that chant is being racist (or worse) for being directed at UND when their team plays here is utter nonsense. As advocates of a color-blind society, we Gopher fans advocate eating everyone's babies. It's a very pro-active approach to the overpopulation problem. And who doesn't like baby back ribs?
 
Re: Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

Ya know, if you had just prefaced your remarks by saying you thought the use of the chant was inappropriate, insensitive and embarrassing to the University of Minnesota - Duluth, the majority of people wouldn't have taken such strong issue with you.

That you chose to omit such an opinion and instead focus entirely on the UND nickname leaves the impression that you don't find any fault with your own fan base.

Also people have this Pavlovian response to my name. They immediately see red, fly into a rage, and can't think clearly. Well, some of them can't think clearly with or without my Internet presence. I could say "kittens are cute" and 20 different people would $hit a brick about it.

I can't control your impression, or anyone else's. The nickname is the more insidious problem. I chose to focus on the nickname. I continue to choose to focus on the nickname. I don't really care if people read between lines that don't exist. Other people's projections are their own problem. I haven't really bothered to respond to that many people because what's the point? They see what they want to see, they've written their own little narrative that is so far off track I'll never get it back on again, and I simply don't care if they do. So what if people on the Internets don't like me or the things I have to say? C'est la vie.
 
Re: Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

The "kill, maim, pillage, burn" chant is directed at every single team MN plays - no exceptions. So to claim that chant is being racist (or worse) for being directed at UND when their team plays here is utter nonsense. As advocates of a color-blind society, we Gopher fans advocate eating everyone's babies. It's a very pro-active approach to the overpopulation problem. And who doesn't like baby back ribs?

Solution: chant "Smallpox Blankets" against all teams. As far as overpopulation, I'll leave aside the flip comment I could make here.
 
Re: Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

Your fanbase threw batteries at opposing players. Was it those fans' faults? Absolutely. Was it an idiotic idea to hand those battery-operated fans or whatever out to drunken students? Yes.

I don't remember any batteries being thrown. I remember battery-operated fans being thrown by both Husky AND Gopher fans, though.
 
Re: Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

Solution: chant "Smallpox Blankets" against all teams.
If you want to dodge the racism charge, that's what you have to do - direct the insensitive chants at everyone.

And no matter what a team chooses to call itself, students will always be dicks and chant horrible things. It's human nature in an "us vs them" environment. So I guess the real question is whether or not we wish to call that a problem and be outraged by it. Can anyone legitimately claim that something a student section (or a part of one) chants causes actual harm to someone?

Apparently, schools believe that it can, at least in the sense of embarrassing the school - hence the need for various policies regarding acceptable fan conduct at these games.
 
Re: Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

So the moral of this thread is that the UMD fans are too stupid to ignore UND's mascot. Oh, and that Old Pio is incapable of staying on topic.
 
Re: Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

Whatever your view of OP one thing is for sure, it makes for interesting and entertaining reading. I don't agree with him on anything, but I really like him around.
 
Re: Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

Question: is it really all that relevant if the "Sioux" nickname is inherently racist? (For the record, I think it's use at NoDak is a lot more reverent than most other ethnic nicknames, including Notre Dame)

All that matters is how you react to something, and aside from desperate survival situations, it's not reasonable to blame outside factors for your behavior. This is especially true when those external factors have no impact on you at all. Racist or not, the Sioux nickname doesn't have much on an effect on a UMD student's life.

All that said: it doesn't matter if the name were racist or not. If they were called the Flickertails, then the students who chanted "smallpox blankets" would just say some other tasteless thing instead.
 
Re: Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

The "kill, maim, pillage, burn" chant is directed at every single team MN plays - no exceptions. So to claim that chant is being racist (or worse) for being directed at UND when their team plays here is utter nonsense. As advocates of a color-blind society, we Gopher fans advocate eating everyone's babies. It's a very pro-active approach to the overpopulation problem. And who doesn't like baby back ribs?

Excellent points. More people need to emulate us for this very reason.
 
Re: Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

Also people have this Pavlovian response to my name. They immediately see red, fly into a rage, and can't think clearly. Well, some of them can't think clearly with or without my Internet presence. I could say "kittens are cute" and 20 different people would $hit a brick about it.

Sorry but you're not as special as you think you are, maybe you should go do the laundry or clean the kitchen.
 
So the moral of this thread is that the UMD fans are too stupid to ignore UND's mascot. Oh, and that Old Pio is incapable of staying on topic.
I'd Rather say people are going to believe what they are going to believe no matter what anyone says
 
Re: Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

The small group of students who started those chants crossed the line, period. Would the line be somewhere else if UND had a different mascot, sure. But the students are not mindless drones, they chose a specific historical event to use as a cheer knowing it was going to get a reaction. As adults (presumably somewhat educated adults) they should know when they've crossed that line from funny innuendo into the vulgar/offensive/obscene. The school took appropriate action and members of the student section have since sent out an apology.

I think a lot of the defensive mindsets from tPB and others is that UMD is taking a lot of heat for this when many fanbases have made similar chants in the past. I have been at Gopher-UND games and heard such chants, as well as Wisconsin-UND games. That does not make it ok, but I understand people trying to defend it as "why are we getting blasted by national media?" The nickname is a very hot issue and many who are opposed to it are using the initial blog that started all this as ammo in their attempts to remove the nickname. Like it or not, UMD is being used as the proof that the nickname creates a hostile and abusive environment. UMD fans should simply file it in dumb things college kids do/have done and move on. Yes it makes us look bad, but it was our student section that got caught and put in every headline. Attempting to deflect the blame simply looks as if you're condoning the actions.

I should emphasize that from all accounts the vast majority of the student section did not chant these cheers and due to a lack of participation they quickly faded away. In the end, I think that this type of peer pressure works best to discourage poor sportsmanship. Everything else becomes overkill and will likely receive pushback.
 
Re: Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

I wasn't aware UND has/had a mascot, I know they have/had a nickname.
 
Re: Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

The small group of students who started those chants crossed the line, period. Would the line be somewhere else if UND had a different mascot, sure. But the students are not mindless drones, they chose a specific historical event to use as a cheer knowing it was going to get a reaction. As adults (presumably somewhat educated adults) they should know when they've crossed that line from funny innuendo into the vulgar/offensive/obscene. The school took appropriate action and members of the student section have since sent out an apology.

I think a lot of the defensive mindsets from tPB and others is that UMD is taking a lot of heat for this when many fanbases have made similar chants in the past. I have been at Gopher-UND games and heard such chants, as well as Wisconsin-UND games. That does not make it ok, but I understand people trying to defend it as "why are we getting blasted by national media?" The nickname is a very hot issue and many who are opposed to it are using the initial blog that started all this as ammo in their attempts to remove the nickname. Like it or not, UMD is being used as the proof that the nickname creates a hostile and abusive environment. UMD fans should simply file it in dumb things college kids do/have done and move on. Yes it makes us look bad, but it was our student section that got caught and put in every headline. Attempting to deflect the blame simply looks as if you're condoning the actions.

I should emphasize that from all accounts the vast majority of the student section did not chant these cheers and due to a lack of participation they quickly faded away. In the end, I think that this type of peer pressure works best to discourage poor sportsmanship. Everything else becomes overkill and will likely receive pushback.
I agree with just about all of this. I think what is missing most from the national attention is the fact that the majority of students did not participate and in the end self regulated themselves from the vulgar chant. You are correct that this peer pressure works better than anything the school or media could do about.
 
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