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Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

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Goon said:
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For the record, this is the first and probably last time that I have referred to them as a mascot, since being told that you guys don't like it a few years back. You see, I'm pretty PC, and it turns out that what that actually means is basically respecting people. UND alumni and fans want to say that they don't have a mascot, I see no harm in that, so I don't call it a mascot. But referring to how it's defined in the "realm of sports" makes very little sense, since the word mascot is not used very much anywhere else.
 
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duper said:
The realm of college sports doesn't get to define words. As I said in the original post, I like the fact that North Dakota has stayed away from what people think of as a mascot, in what I give the benefit of the doubt was an intent to avoid offensive stereotypes. Well done.

But as for getting upset that people call the combination of name and emblem a mascot, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

That said, I generally go with the desire of UND people not to call it a mascot, and I will continue to do that as I always have (with this one exception that was prompted by someone trying to be a stickler, so I decided to out-stickler them because I'm an arrogant sot). But don't correct me on a semantic argument when I am, in fact, correct. :)
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The STANDARD in the realm of sports is that mascots are people dressed up in suits that represent something typically similar to their nickname and logo. The New York Yankees, Chicago Cubs, Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim and Los Angeles Dodgers do not have a mascot but the Philadelphia Phillies and many more team in MLB do. I'm sorry if you don't think this is true but it is. Chief Wahoo is not the Cleveland Indians mascot, Slider is...
 
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dogs2012 said:
Sorry, I don't really get your point here. So because that Tribes adopted a derogatory name means it's okay? So, because there's some black people who don't mind it when white people call them the N word, it's okay to use the word freely? D'okay.
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Yes. Is it really that hard to understand, cracker?
 
dogs2012 said:
Sorry, I don't really get your point here. So because that Tribes adopted a derogatory name means it's okay? So, because there's some black people who don't mind it when white people call them the N word, it's okay to use the word freely? D'okay.
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Dogs2012 is technically correct.
 
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UMDSimmerdown said:
The nickname is a very hot issue and many who are opposed to it are using the initial blog that started all this as ammo in their attempts to remove the nickname. Like it or not, UMD is being used as the proof that the nickname creates a hostile and abusive environment.
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It appears to me that most of the attention is just going to the UMD students, portraying this as an isolated act of racism. I haven't seen anything stemming from this event (other than my erudite blog post) discussing the nickname and its inherent racism or its negative consequences throughout its history, from Sammy Sioux to "No nickname, no scholarships" or "No nickname, no casinos."

Dirty Bottles said:
So it seems we all suffer from the same affliction. We see your name and our brains turn to mush and when UMD fans see the sioux nickname their brains turn to mush. Just as the real problem is the Sioux nickname perhaps the real problem is you?

I agree with Stauber1 - I get what you're trying to say but it was poorly worded in my opinion and gave the appearance of trying to duck the issue of what happened in Duluth.
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I'm sorry. Next time should I make it a picture book with only monosyllabic words?

Naturally the problem is me. I can't help it if people's deeply-rooted envy for me manifests itself as blind rage and the inability to think clearly or listen to reason. But you'll see it all the time, people (usually after picking up a dictionary to parse through the more challenging phrases) saying things like "I can't believe I'm defending RWD, but..." "I can't believe I'm agreeing with RWD, but..." Everyone comes around in the end. I'm not at all concerned about being "the problem."
 
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goldy_331 said:
That's been clear for years. Otherwise you would have stopped being "the problem."
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Eh. The days of women playing dumb and going along with whatever men think are of no interest to me. Being brilliant and being opinionated (and somehow always being right!) makes me a problem, but I think I'll take that over meekness and domestication.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
The STANDARD in the realm of sports is that mascots are people dressed up in suits that represent something typically similar to their nickname and logo. The New York Yankees, Chicago Cubs, Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim and Los Angeles Dodgers do not have a mascot but the Philadelphia Phillies and many more team in MLB do. I'm sorry if you don't think this is true but it is. Chief Wahoo is not the Cleveland Indians mascot, Slider is...
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English is a fluid language, and meaning s of words change significantly over time, and new meanings get added. But it doesn't flow backward in time. Old definitions don't become wrong.

Here's the funny thing. I agree (I could almost swear I've already said this) that if UND alumni and fans don't want to call the logo a mascot, that is a reasonable request and I respect it. But, standard usage, and common vernacular aside, I am right.

The great thing is, my being right doesn't stop you from being right, too. It is fun, however, to watch you try to make me admit that being a stickler for language is unacceptable and that I shouldn't do it.
 
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Runninwiththedogs said:
Eh. The days of women playing dumb and going along with whatever men think are of no interest to me. Being brilliant and being opinionated (and somehow always being right!) makes me a problem, but I think I'll take that over meekness and domestication.
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It has NOTHING to do with your gender and everything to do with your personality. :p
 
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goldy_331 said:
It has NOTHING to do with your gender and everything to do with your personality. :p
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Yeah, I've thought you (RWD) were an *** for a lot longer than I've been aware that you're female.
 
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duper said:
English is a fluid language, and meaning s of words change significantly over time, and new meanings get added. But it doesn't flow backward in time. Old definitions don't become wrong.

Here's the funny thing. I agree (I could almost swear I've already said this) that if UND alumni and fans don't want to call the logo a mascot, that is a reasonable request and I respect it. But, standard usage, and common vernacular aside, I am right.

The great thing is, my being right doesn't stop you from being right, too. It is fun, however, to watch you try to make me admit that being a stickler for language is unacceptable and that I shouldn't do it.
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In the strictest sense of the definition of the word, you can claim a logo is a mascot. I can accept that. But stating that myself and others shouldn't complain when people call it a mascot is silly. UND does not have a mascot. They chose not have one because they as an institution do respect their use of the Sioux and feel they treat the nickname properly, not to mention having a native american design the logo. They honor the Sioux by using the nickname and imagery. The fact that other people choose to do racist chants or make the t-shirts or signs outlined doesn't change how the University of North Dakota honors the Sioux tribes with the use of the nickname and logo.
 
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Runninwiththedogs said:
It appears to me that most of the attention is just going to the UMD students, portraying this as an isolated act of racism. I haven't seen anything stemming from this event (other than my erudite blog post) discussing the nickname and its inherent racism or its negative consequences throughout its history, from Sammy Sioux to "No nickname, no scholarships" or "No nickname, no casinos."



I'm sorry. Next time should I make it a picture book with only monosyllabic words?

Naturally the problem is me. I can't help it if people's deeply-rooted envy for me manifests itself as blind rage and the inability to think clearly or listen to reason. But you'll see it all the time, people (usually after picking up a dictionary to parse through the more challenging phrases) saying things like "I can't believe I'm defending RWD, but..." "I can't believe I'm agreeing with RWD, but..." Everyone comes around in the end. I'm not at all concerned about being "the problem."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which the unskilled suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a met cognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes.[1]

Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. As Kruger and Dunning conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others"
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
In the strictest sense of the definition of the word, you can claim a logo is a mascot. I can accept that. But stating that myself and others shouldn't complain when people call it a mascot is silly. UND does not have a mascot. They chose not have one because they as an institution do respect their use of the Sioux and feel they treat the nickname properly, not to mention having a native american design the logo. They honor the Sioux by using the nickname and imagery. The fact that other people choose to do racist chants or make the t-shirts or signs outlined doesn't change how the University of North Dakota honors the Sioux tribes with the use of the nickname and logo.
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I acknowledged that all along. I still think that getting upset over the fact that you use a word differently than its literal definition is silly. And I didn't say you shouldn't complain. I said getting upset about it doesn't make sense.
 
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Runninwiththedogs said:
Also people have this Pavlovian response to my name. They immediately see red, fly into a rage, and can't think clearly. Well, some of them can't think clearly with or without my Internet presence. I could say "kittens are cute" and 20 different people would $hit a brick about it.

I can't control your impression, or anyone else's. The nickname is the more insidious problem. I chose to focus on the nickname. I continue to choose to focus on the nickname. I don't really care if people read between lines that don't exist. Other people's projections are their own problem. I haven't really bothered to respond to that many people because what's the point? They see what they want to see, they've written their own little narrative that is so far off track I'll never get it back on again, and I simply don't care if they do. So what if people on the Internets don't like me or the things I have to say? C'est la vie.
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Actually, you do have a large degree of control over the impression you give.
Choosing to blame others' "Pavlovian response" is an easy way to avoid self-critique.

There is an interesting parallel to the current topic of this thread I think.
 
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