What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

DIII NCAA pairing speculation

Re: DIII NCAA pairing speculation

NUProf said:
You have to look at the entire season record, not just the last game. A playoff game counts exactly as much toward the criteria as any other game - no more, no less.
Click to expand...

I believe you are correct, although apparently, when they get to secondary criteria, w-l % in the last 1/4 of the season gets thrown in. Criteria were explained on the selection "show."

http://www.ncaa.com/live/2011-03-05/diii-womens-ice-hockey-selection-show

Also, this from the NCAA website:

Based on Division III bracketing principles, teams are paired in the bracket based on minimizing the number of flights and avoiding conference match-ups in first-round games. Following the first-round games, the host for the semifinals, third-place game and finals will be determined based on the seed of the four participating teams and minimization of flights. The three winners of the first-round games and the team that received a first-round bye will play in the semifinals March 18, and the finals and third-place game will be held March 19. The semifinals, third-place game and finals will be streamed live on www.ncaa.com.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/icehockey-women/2011-03-07/diii-womens-hockey-field-announced
 
Re: DIII NCAA pairing speculation

NUProf said:
You have to look at the entire season record, not just the last game. A playoff game counts exactly as much toward the criteria as any other game - no more, no less.
Click to expand...

The hostess of the DIII announcement webcast did note during her presentation that record in the last portion of the season was one of the secondary criteria (as was avoiding inter-conference play in the quarter-final round). The difference between the last Pool "C" team in and the couple of teams on the outside looking in is so thin that someone feels they go the shaft every year.
Let us all hope there are a few more programs starting up and we can get this thing to an eight team dance and eliminate the bye (and I also want some better refs for Christmas).
Congratulations to those selected and GOOD LUCK to all the players and coaches!!!
 
Re: DIII NCAA pairing speculation

PrezdeJohnson09 said:
I think it happened to avoid the intra-conference matchup that would have had to happen with Manhattanville playing Norwich.

RIT/Adrian was locked in stone. so all that was left was Manhattanville, Middlebury, and Norwich. Try to avoid intra-conference matchups and that's what you get.
Click to expand...

To say nothing of lining up a venue to host should RIT falter.......;)
 
Last edited:
Re: DIII NCAA pairing speculation

hockeyismylifeOKAY said:
it doesn't make any sense at all... norwich loses their conference and gets a bye to the semis... its sad when it comes down to money.
Click to expand...

It doesn't make sense, but that's what the manual says. As for losing the champ. game, it is one game, and apparently the committee thought Norwich's season long credentials were better than M'ville, or Midd, who were the only other possibilities according to the geography.
 
Re: DIII NCAA pairing speculation

Can anyone shed light on who will get to host semi's and finals? It doesn't list that Norwich will host, I forgot how last year was determined.
 
Re: DIII NCAA pairing speculation

Captain Obvious said:
Can anyone shed light on who will get to host semi's and finals? It doesn't list that Norwich will host, I forgot how last year was determined.
Click to expand...

Isn't it obvious? :eek: Kidding....
The NCAA is waiting to see how the first round goes. I think we can all agree if RIT beats Adrian, then it's a done deal. However, if that doesn't happen, it would depend on how the rest of the teams do. I can see Midd hosting....but, that's assuming they win and the NCAA stays with the trend of having the Finals hosted in the east. I could also see Norwich hosting if RIT falters; regardless of what Midd does.

Can anyone tell me if there is one more ranking that'll be coming out? That might shed some further light....
 
Re: DIII NCAA pairing speculation

Thanks, so they re-seed (in a sense). I would imagine if RIT wins, they will host. Went west last year, maybe back east this year?
Prez...any insight to add?
 
Re: DIII NCAA pairing speculation

Captain Obvious said:
Thanks, so they re-seed (in a sense). I would imagine if RIT wins, they will host. Went west last year, maybe back east this year?
Prez...any insight to add?
Click to expand...

If RIT wins, it's theirs.

If RIT loses, it's anybody's guess.

River Falls and Middlebury would have cases if they won and Norwich would as well.
 
Re: DIII NCAA pairing speculation

While Mr. Prez thinks that WIRF has a case (to which I agree) The NCAA flew 4 teams west last year. It won't again this year, of that I'm 98% positive. That leaves Midd and Norwich. My guess would be its Middlebury's based on the conference championship. However, Norwich does have a big h-2-h victory over them within the last 1/4 of the season. Either way its a difference of less than 75 miles (or less then 68 if you take Bethal Mountain Rd). My seat of the pants feel is that the NCAA might do Norwich to hold face on the idea that Norwich was seated higher than either Midd or Man'ville.
 
Re: DIII NCAA pairing speculation

Jiggles100 said:
While Mr. Prez thinks that WIRF has a case (to which I agree) The NCAA flew 4 teams west last year. It won't again this year, of that I'm 98% positive. That leaves Midd and Norwich. My guess would be its Middlebury's based on the conference championship. However, Norwich does have a big h-2-h victory over them within the last 1/4 of the season. Either way its a difference of less than 75 miles (or less then 68 if you take Bethal Mountain Rd). My seat of the pants feel is that the NCAA might do Norwich to hold face on the idea that Norwich was seated higher than either Midd or Man'ville.
Click to expand...

The NCAA flew three teams west last season. Not four.

They have to send the tournament west once every four years anyway.

If RIT lost, why not send it west this year when River Falls has that much better of a record than Middlebury and Norwich?

They wouldn't have to send it west again for six more years if they did it again this season.
 
Re: DIII NCAA pairing speculation

PrezdeJohnson09 said:
The NCAA flew three teams west last season. Not four.

They have to send the tournament west once every four years anyway.

If RIT lost, why not send it west this year when River Falls has that much better of a record than Middlebury and Norwich?

They wouldn't have to send it west again for six more years if they did it again this season.
Click to expand...

Let's say RIT lost and UWRF won. If the NCAA could stretch the travel rule to 598 miles (Adrian to UWRF) then they only fly 2 west. Just like in this same scenerio they would only have to fly 2 east if Midd, Manhattanville or Norwich hosted. How solid is the 500 mile rule? Like stated before does'nt UWRF have better NCAA criteria than those three?
 
Re: DIII NCAA pairing speculation

twowayplay said:
Let's say RIT lost and UWRF won. If the NCAA could stretch the travel rule to 598 miles (Adrian to UWRF) then they only fly 2 west. Just like in this same scenerio they would only have to fly 2 east if Midd, Manhattanville or Norwich hosted. How solid is the 500 mile rule? Like stated before does'nt UWRF have better NCAA criteria than those three?
Click to expand...

The 500 mile rule is set in stone. 501 you fly and 499 you bus. There is no leeway AT ALL.
 
Re: DIII NCAA pairing speculation

All I have to say is WOW!
WOW that Norwich got the final pool C bid over Plattsburgh,
WOW that UWRF, and Norwich lost Championship games that they were supposed to win
WOW that a pool C team gets the bye and automatically is in the frozen four
WOW that in the ECAC West game yesterday, once again RIT was given not one, but two power play opportunities with very little time left in the game-coincidence?
WOW that a top team in Plattsburgh, ended the season ranked #4 yet are not in the NCAA'S?
Just plain WOW!!!! So many scenarios that two weeks ago were unthinkable, happened this weekend....
 
Re: DIII NCAA pairing speculation

PrezdeJohnson09 said:
The NCAA flew three teams west last season. Not four.

They have to send the tournament west once every four years anyway.

If RIT lost, why not send it west this year when River Falls has that much better of a record than Middlebury and Norwich?

They wouldn't have to send it west again for six more years if they did it again this season.
Click to expand...

Really easy way to solve this dilemma, do like the men's tourney and determine the site a year or two in advance. Lake Placid and Ridder Arena would seem to be leading candidates and then have host institutions regardless of whether they make it or not. No more site riddles leaving the only riddles being why some teams make it over others.
 
Re: DIII NCAA pairing speculation

FALCONSANNOUNCER said:
Really easy way to solve this dilemma, do like the men's tourney and determine the site a year or two in advance. Lake Placid and Ridder Arena would seem to be leading candidates and then have host institutions regardless of whether they make it or not. No more site riddles leaving the only riddles being why some teams make it over others.
Click to expand...

Better yet (and this get's discussed each year) Join this tournament with the D1 Women's tourney at a neutral site. This would be an excellent event in promotion of Women's hockey. It might even actually make money! But the NC$$ is too cheap and Women's hockey is not high on it's priority list. Plus this would be way too logical of an idea for the logic of the NCAA!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top