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Detroit Tigers, 2009, Part III: How long does it take for Leyland to screw this up?

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Now who will close games for you guys?

Rodney was (sometimes as my memory serves me) a decent closer/bullpen guy.
 
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Biddco said:
Now who will close games for you guys?

Rodney was (sometimes as my memory serves me) a decent closer/bullpen guy.
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It's looking like Perry, unless we sign someone...
 
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speekeasy8 said:
$5.5 per, plus a prospect drafted in the 42nd to 55th overall range.

With 5 picks in the top 55 overall, the table is set for a big draft by Detroit... let's hope they do not "Millen" it.

#19 - 1st round pick
#27 - from Philadelphia, compensation for Polanco
#33-41 range - compensation for Polanco
#42-55 range - compensation for Lyon
#42-55 range - compensation for Rodney

http://www.mymlbdraft.com/mlb-free-agents-type-a-and-type-b/

The "range" picks assume all type A/B free agents sign with a new team before the 2010 MLB draft. Of course, if some of them resign with their 2009 team, or if they do not sign at all, Detroit's sandwich picks will become even better.
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Um, I could be wrong here, but I don't think we offered any of those guys arbitration, so I don't think we get any additional picks.

EDIT: Apparently we did offer Rodney arbitration. I'm not sure about Lyon, and I read earlier that Polanco was not offered.
 
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Hammer said:
Um, I could be wrong here, but I don't think we offered any of those guys arbitration, so I don't think we get any additional picks.

EDIT: Apparently we did offer Rodney arbitration. I'm not sure about Lyon, and I read earlier that Polanco was not offered.
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You're right about Polanco... I completely forgot about that. ****.
 
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Billy Blanks said:
It's looking like Perry, unless we sign someone...
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Closers are easier to find that you think. But great ones are difficult

This makes me appreciate Joe Nathan though
 
Comerica Park Prison Blues...

Comerica Park Prison Blues...

and the radio is playing Johnny Cash... "I hear the train a comin..."
 
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Biddco said:
Closers are easier to find that you think. But great ones are difficult

This makes me appreciate Joe Nathan though
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I agree and I don't have to much faith in Perry since he's so young and inexperienced. I don't expect big things from the Tigers in 2010, but 2011 we should be in good shape.
 
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Hammer said:
Laird arrested after brawl in NBA arena

I'm guessing that Laird took a swing at someone and missed.
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The Freep is reporting that the Tigers may have interest in 2B Orlando Hudson. Personally, that would be fine with me. We need a contingency plan in case Sizemore is not ready.
 
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Hammer said:
Laird arrested after brawl in NBA arena

I'm guessing that Laird took a swing at someone and missed.
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That about sums it up. Sounds like he has been taking some of Cabrera's medicine, too.

I hope Ilitch is satisfied with the product he'll put on the field, because it will resemble Barnum and Bailey more than a MLB team. I hope Verlander can contain himself in order to see the same thing that Blanks sees in 2011, because he'll be mighty frustrated otherwise.

Oh- and did anyone catch Tom Gage's musings about professional athletes that died in 2009? One interesting note, with the passing of Dave Roberts and Mark Fidrych, the entire five man rotation from the 1976 team is gone. I still have that yearbook, with Milt May and Dave Roberts on the cover.
 
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Jose Valverde? Even if it cost us our 1st round pick?
 
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Hammer said:
Jose Valverde? Even if it cost us our 1st round pick?
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So I guess the net of this, is:

We traded Brandon Lyon and our 1st for Valverde and a supplemental pick? I mean, if we actually sign him that is?

I'm OK with this. It's not a barn burner. Some comments:

1) It looks like DD wanted a veteran to lead the Bullpen, whether that was Rodney, Lyon, Valverde, or other. It seems this was more important than what I previously thought... with his comments and everything...

2) I'm OK having a veteran lead the BP... that will mean that Perry/ Zumaya/ Schlereth will have to EARN the closer's role over the next two years, rather than just have it handed to them. Like I said, I'm OK with that. I think it will help them as well, to learn a little bit more from a veteran, before jumping into the fire.

3) It cheapens the cost of our top 3 relievers if they don't get closer stats for at least two years as well. I consider that a plus.

4) If Valverde gets pushed into a setup role by next year, with the emergence of _ _ _ _ _ _, then DD can trade him at the deadline, unless we are contending for a playoff spot, in which I think he'll be held until the season ends. Either way, I like the Net Cost of the trade: Possible Playoffs + Valverde + Supplemental pick + deadline trade (nice prospects) or an "A" or "B" FA (potentially, if DD is willing to offer arbitration... o/w, I'll take the deadline trade...) for Lyon and a 1st round pick.

5) I don't know if losing the 1st is good or bad this year... depending on what's available at the spot we would have chosen at... it has to at least be the loss of a potential top prospect for us... but like I said, I'm OK with the net cost of this trade.


Summary: I'm not jumping up & down for joy here... if we sign him. But I don't see major negatives either, despite the loss of the 1st rounder. Middle of the road, as far as I'm concerned.
 
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I'm fine with it, assuming we sign him for longer than 1 year. You don't go burning 1st round picks over 1 year deals. That's stupid on a Randy Smith level.
 
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Hammer said:
I'm fine with it, assuming we sign him for longer than 1 year. You don't go burning 1st round picks over 1 year deals. That's stupid on a Randy Smith level.
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Exactly, but what leverage does the Tigers have? They need a closer. ValVerde is going to give you as much stability as Rodney- if anyone followed him at Arizona he was reliable and frustrating- and last year he did a good job with Houston.
 
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We'll, I'd offer him the two year, $10-12 mil deal, and give him the Lee Iacocca treatmemt: if you find a better offer, take it. I suspect that he would be a Tiger sooner rather than later. You can sell the fact that this team could be in contention all year, as there isn't a runaway team in the AL Central. 87 wins won this thing last year, and I don't see it being materially different this coming.

Under very few circumstances would I burn a 1st round pick on a 1-year deal. This is not one of those circumstances.

Quick point of housekeeping: the 2010 season thread will not begin until sometime in Spring Training. I already have decided on a thread title. I'll be in Florida from Feb 21-25, so it might go up before then.
 
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Hammer said:
We'll, I'd offer him the two year, $10-12 mil deal, and give him the Lee Iacocca treatmemt: if you find a better offer, take it. I suspect that he would be a Tiger sooner rather than later. You can sell the fact that this team could be in contention all year, as there isn't a runaway team in the AL Central. 87 wins won this thing last year, and I don't see it being materially different this coming.

Under very few circumstances would I burn a 1st round pick on a 1-year deal. This is not one of those circumstances.

Quick point of housekeeping: the 2010 season thread will not begin until sometime in Spring Training. I already have decided on a thread title. I'll be in Florida from Feb 21-25, so it might go up before then.
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So where is this money to burn coming from now?

Can't wait to see the title. (sidenote- will you be at Yost next friday?)
 
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Well, reading the News a few minutes ago, the payroll is going to be higher than it was last year. That's why I don't understand why we didn't tender Polanco, and didn't extend Rodney for another year. Granderson's contract goes up in a hurry after this season, so I suppose you can make a case there.

And the new title is regarding our agreement.

And yes, I intend to be at Yost on Friday. I'm giving up an Adrian home game (and a good one at that), but it's well worth it.
 
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Hammer said:
Well, reading the News a few minutes ago, the payroll is going to be higher than it was last year. That's why I don't understand why we didn't tender Polanco, and didn't extend Rodney for another year. Granderson's contract goes up in a hurry after this season, so I suppose you can make a case there.

And the new title is regarding our agreement.

And yes, I intend to be at Yost on Friday. I'm giving up an Adrian home game (and a good one at that), but it's well worth it.
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Exactly! and-heh. I thought so. You know I'm good for it, right? The trick will be getting Billy Blue Skies in from Arizona for the payoff, too. :p

See you next friday.
 
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streaker said:
Exactly! and-heh. I thought so. You know I'm good for it, right? The trick will be getting Billy Blue Skies in from Arizona for the payoff, too. :p

See you next friday.
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Of course I know you're good for it. There was never a doubt in my mind.
 
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