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Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

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Rover said:
I don't consider McMahon or Coats to be "moderates" unless that definition is someone to the left of Attila the Hun, but point taken on Kirk.
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Eh, Coats is rated 90 by the ACU, I confess I had it in my head that he was rated lower. Guess I was wrong about that one. I'd still contest McMahon though.
 
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Ok the Dem Chairman was on TDS last night and John Stewart basically pimpslapped him. Look I am sure Tim Kaine thought he would get it easy because TDS is left leaning, but still this guy is a moron. No wonder the Dems are gonna get prison raped in the midterms I wouldnt trust this guy to run a lemonade stand outside the State Fair :eek:
 
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WeWantMore said:
Unfortunately, the Republicans have seen your moron, and raised you a double moron.
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Steele's the sort of empty-headed time-server who's vice presidential timber! :p

(We had to suffer through Terry McAuliff. There is nothing quite like the face-palm despair of having a horrendous national party chair. You have my sympathy, and I hope he keeps his job forever.)
 
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Handyman said:
Think about this...those guys are the HEADS of the two major parties in this country...and we wonder why we are screwed :eek:
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It's a good thing nobody cares who the heads of the parties are except for big bucks donors and "journalists." No offense, but discussion of party chairmen is so inside baseball. A significant chunk of Americans don't know what country borders us to the north, I'm guessing the number is somewhat higher if you ask who the party chairmen are. That's not to say these guys don't take turns on the dunking stool, it's just that it's all so unimportant.
 
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Is it? The Party Chairman often sets up the strategy for who goes where for support, who does what fundraiser and what the agenda can be from election to election. Maybe you think that isnt important but I kind of do. These guys couldnt win a game of checkers against my senile grandma let alone set up a midterm election strategy ;)

Of course you dismiss pretty much everything so who knows :p
 
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Handyman said:
Is it? The Party Chairman often sets up the strategy for who goes where for support, who does what fundraiser and what the agenda can be from election to election. Maybe you think that isnt important but I kind of do. These guys couldnt win a game of checkers against my senile grandma let alone set up a midterm election strategy ;)

Of course you dismiss pretty much everything so who knows :p
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Aww, you ruined it. A thoughtful post followed by a cheap shot. Kiss my azz, p***k.

I "dismiss pretty much everything?" What does that even mean? I dismiss unicorns, aliens from outer space and grassy knoll shooters, among other things. So?
 
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Handyman said:
Is it? The Party Chairman often sets up the strategy for who goes where for support, who does what fundraiser and what the agenda can be from election to election. Maybe you think that isnt important but I kind of do. These guys couldnt win a game of checkers against my senile grandma let alone set up a midterm election strategy ;)

Of course you dismiss pretty much everything so who knows :p
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usually, but the thing is these guys are only as powerful as the money they have...

the problem is that many "grassroots" conservatives figure that 1) Steele was a conservative and one of them... 2) that by using his race it would be thumbing the nose at Democrats who view everything through labels. At no point did anybody presume that he was going to be a total screwball. Generally, and I'll admit I thought this, he was going to go out there and take democrats to task on issues and fight the good fight. Instead he's been a meandering mushy wuss. Total disappointment. As a result, many republicans have been putting their money elsewhere... specifically to the campaigns themselves.
 
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Patman said:
Generally, and I'll admit I thought this, he was going to go out there and take democrats to task on issues and fight the good fight. Instead he's been a meandering mushy wuss. Total disappointment. As a result, many republicans have been putting their money elsewhere... specifically to the campaigns themselves.
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The reverse can be true, too. When the Dems made Howard Dean the DNC chair, I thought it would be a nothing appointment -- they were deliberately co-opting the "Democratic wing of the Democratic party" and burdening him with responsibility. Instead, he turned out to be (1) a successful party leader, (2) a unifier of disparate interests, and (3) a strategic innovator. It was the perfect task for his skills -- far better than a national candidacy.

One thing the RNC is doing right this time is challenging virtually every seat. If I were a betting man, I would say they will exceed expectations this Fall, and expectations are already pretty high. Once you get beyond their national candidates, the GOP has a deep field, they are organized, and obviously they never have any problem with money.

Divided government, anyone? :p
 
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Old Pio said:
Aww, you ruined it. A thoughtful post followed by a cheap shot. Kiss my azz, p***k.

I "dismiss pretty much everything?" What does that even mean? I dismiss unicorns, aliens from outer space and grassy knoll shooters, among other things. So?
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It wasnt a cheap shot, I was making a joke...geez come on try and smile it makes the day better I swear :D
 
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Old Pio said:
It's a good thing nobody cares who the heads of the parties are except for big bucks donors and "journalists." No offense, but discussion of party chairmen is so inside baseball. A significant chunk of Americans don't know what country borders us to the north, I'm guessing the number is somewhat higher if you ask who the party chairmen are. That's not to say these guys don't take turns on the dunking stool, it's just that it's all so unimportant.
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And this is why guys like Barack Obama and George W. Bush become President.
 
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Handyman said:
Ok the Dem Chairman was on TDS last night and John Stewart basically pimpslapped him. Look I am sure Tim Kaine thought he would get it easy because TDS is left leaning, but still this guy is a moron. No wonder the Dems are gonna get prison raped in the midterms I wouldnt trust this guy to run a lemonade stand outside the State Fair :eek:
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I'm often asked by the righties on the board here to name what I consider to be Obama mistakes. From a politics standpoint, A#1 was turfing Howard Dean after the 2008 elections for Tim Kaine, a decision that made no sense on any level. It would be akin to the GOP canning Karl Rove after 2000 and replacing him with Steele.

Dean had a great ability to organize and stay on message, two things the Dems are lacking this year. Regardless of the outcome whether it be better or worse than expected Kaine needs to go after this cycle. He's basically another Terry MacAuliff.
 
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Rover said:
I'm often asked by the righties on the board here to name what I consider to be Obama mistakes. From a politics standpoint, A#1 was turfing Howard Dean after the 2008 elections for Tim Kaine, a decision that made no sense on any level. It would be akin to the GOP canning Karl Rove after 2000 and replacing him with Steele.

Dean had a great ability to organize and stay on message, two things the Dems are lacking this year. Regardless of the outcome whether it be better or worse than expected Kaine needs to go after this cycle. He's basically another Terry MacAuliff.
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Obama doesn't accept dissension just like George didn't. Kaine's his boy. Dean is not.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Obama doesn't accept dissension just like George didn't. Kaine's his boy. Dean is not.
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Hopefully then he learns his lesson. Dean rubbed a lot of people the wrong way (recall that ridiculous attempt by Carville to have Dean replaced by Harold Ford in the days after the 2006 elections :confused: :rolleyes:) but the guy won races and crushed wimpy Naderism once and for all in the party. Dems desperately need someone to stiffen spines throughout the country. I really can't think of any other party official who would go on Fox News and call them racist for that Breibert flap.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Obama doesn't accept dissension just like George didn't. Kaine's his boy. Dean is not.
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Unfortunately I think you may be right. The Dems are prone to fracture and every Dem political leader has to figure out how to hold the center. Dean did it by reminding everybody the GOP are Wraiths. It was go his way or spend an eternity in the wilderness, and after the national nightmare of Bush everyone was listening. Clinton did it with revival tent charisma, snakeoil, and patronage -- the essence of Southern politics. Obama seems to be trying to do it by edict -- a Wilsonian Idealist strategy that is only as effective as his popularity.

This all goes back to his well-meaning but stupid banning of lobbyists from the first 2 years of his administration. That's where all the institutional knowledge is. It was like unilaterally disarming in front of the Wehrmacht of GOP lobbyists, and it's affected everything from getting out his message to member whipping to candidate recruitment to funding.

We'll see how he reacts to the blitzkrieg of the Fall elections -- paradoxically, his best hope right now is that the GOP overplays its hand like Newt did in '95.
 
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Kepler said:
We'll see how he reacts to the blitzkrieg of the Fall elections -- paradoxically, his best hope right now is that the GOP overplays its hand like Newt did in '95.
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Didn't seem to hurt them too much...until they overplayed their hand for the next decade.
 
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