Re: Dead!!!!
Details of the funeral are still sketchy, they are ironing out the specifics.
Details of the funeral are still sketchy, they are ironing out the specifics.
USCHO Fan Forum
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
-
The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.
Dead!!!!
- Thread starter Hammer
- Start date
- Status
Re: Dead!!!!
Last words from 'Lil Kim: "Man, that's bright. . ." Followed by a squeal on the 'phone.
Last words from 'Lil Kim: "Man, that's bright. . ." Followed by a squeal on the 'phone.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Mostly I want to tweak the argies
Re: Dead!!!!
As for Baroness Thatcher, nice to see the "compassionate" left dancing on her grave - and she's not even in the ground yet.
Just tell 'em they play futbol with skirts on.
As for Baroness Thatcher, nice to see the "compassionate" left dancing on her grave - and she's not even in the ground yet.
Re: Dead!!!!
The UK left is socialist/communist and proud of it. Baroness Thatcher kicked their a*ses as PM and they've never forgiven her for it. As she said, her nation-saving reforms made Labour "more electable." History will judge her kindly. History will take no notice whatsoever of people who used the occasion of the lady's death to have a photo-op party in celebration. We all understand what they're about, anyway.
Just tell 'em they play futbol with skirts on.
As for Baroness Thatcher, nice to see the "compassionate" left dancing on her grave - and she's not even in the ground yet.
The UK left is socialist/communist and proud of it. Baroness Thatcher kicked their a*ses as PM and they've never forgiven her for it. As she said, her nation-saving reforms made Labour "more electable." History will judge her kindly. History will take no notice whatsoever of people who used the occasion of the lady's death to have a photo-op party in celebration. We all understand what they're about, anyway.
Twitch Boy
Defacing this tagline is a MAX foul
Re: Dead!!!!
Snowboarder Chelone "Chilly" Miller, 29, apparent seizure.
Snowboarder Chelone "Chilly" Miller, 29, apparent seizure.
Re: Dead!!!!
Carl "The Truth" Williams-age 53 from throat cancer. One of the tough heavyweight contenders of the 1980's. Just came along at a bad time-between Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson (both of whom he lost to-Holmes by a very disputed decision and Tyson by a devastating Left Hook knockout in the first round).
Carl "The Truth" Williams-age 53 from throat cancer. One of the tough heavyweight contenders of the 1980's. Just came along at a bad time-between Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson (both of whom he lost to-Holmes by a very disputed decision and Tyson by a devastating Left Hook knockout in the first round).
St. Clown
Ideas Posted are Likely Not My Own
Re: Dead!!!!
I don't think Tyson lost a single fight in the 80's that took place outside a courthouse.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Dead!!!!
Up until the Buster Douglas fiasco-he was about the most fearsome fighter in history. When he was under the tutelage of his original coach, trainer and management team-he was an unbeatable force. Jen and i saw only one fight in person very early in his career-but even we could tell then that no one could stand up to him. He just came out in the first round firing and at the same time ducking and weaving in that Cus D'Amato taught fashion and just avoiding getting hit while throwing bombs from all directions.
Up until the Buster Douglas fiasco-he was about the most fearsome fighter in history. When he was under the tutelage of his original coach, trainer and management team-he was an unbeatable force. Jen and i saw only one fight in person very early in his career-but even we could tell then that no one could stand up to him. He just came out in the first round firing and at the same time ducking and weaving in that Cus D'Amato taught fashion and just avoiding getting hit while throwing bombs from all directions.
Re: Dead!!!!
You just knew it would turn out badly for Tyson once Don King began whispering "black power" into his ear. I don't know where Tyson's suit against King stands, but I hope Mike is able to knock his dik in the dirt. Cus and Kevin Rooney and that lady who did the cooking kept the kid away from all of the bad influences. Cus even became his legal guardian and helped develop him into one of the near great heavyweight champs of all time. We'll never know how great he could have been.
I've wondered how a matchup between Tyson and my all-time favorite bad boy, Sonny Liston, would have gone. Liston was bigger, longer reach and a real bad dude. He spent what should have been his best years as a fighter in prison*. He originated the pre-fight intimidation routine. Bert Sugar said with Liston "guys were bleeding during the national anthem."
*Sonny had been a leg breaker for the mob in St. Louis. In one encounter with a St. Louis cop, the officer smacked Sonny in the head with his club. Sonny took the stick away from the cop then used it to break his leg at the thigh!
You just knew it would turn out badly for Tyson once Don King began whispering "black power" into his ear. I don't know where Tyson's suit against King stands, but I hope Mike is able to knock his dik in the dirt. Cus and Kevin Rooney and that lady who did the cooking kept the kid away from all of the bad influences. Cus even became his legal guardian and helped develop him into one of the near great heavyweight champs of all time. We'll never know how great he could have been.
I've wondered how a matchup between Tyson and my all-time favorite bad boy, Sonny Liston, would have gone. Liston was bigger, longer reach and a real bad dude. He spent what should have been his best years as a fighter in prison*. He originated the pre-fight intimidation routine. Bert Sugar said with Liston "guys were bleeding during the national anthem."
*Sonny had been a leg breaker for the mob in St. Louis. In one encounter with a St. Louis cop, the officer smacked Sonny in the head with his club. Sonny took the stick away from the cop then used it to break his leg at the thigh!
Last edited:
Re: Dead!!!!
The flaw with Tyson was (and I may be remembering this wrong), Buster was the first fighter to make it out of the first round. Tyson didn't know what to do after that. He was lost. Yes, the trainer/etc was HUGE, but every fight after that, if you made it out of the first round, you WERE going to beat Tyson.
The flaw with Tyson was (and I may be remembering this wrong), Buster was the first fighter to make it out of the first round. Tyson didn't know what to do after that. He was lost. Yes, the trainer/etc was HUGE, but every fight after that, if you made it out of the first round, you WERE going to beat Tyson.
Twitch Boy
Defacing this tagline is a MAX foul
Re: Dead!!!!
Even Punch-Out figured this out. If you got past the first 1:30 of his fight without getting hit by his one-hit knockdown punch, he wouldn't throw any more for the rest of the fight.
/beat Tyson legit
//took a gazillion tries, but I did it
Even Punch-Out figured this out. If you got past the first 1:30 of his fight without getting hit by his one-hit knockdown punch, he wouldn't throw any more for the rest of the fight.
/beat Tyson legit
//took a gazillion tries, but I did it
Re: Dead!!!!
That's why I've always thought Liston would have Tyson grabbing his ankles, in a manner of speaking. He couldn't have pulled that first round stuff against Ali. And Joe Frazier would have left hooked him into the next time zone.
I agree. After that, though, he was exposed. Get him past the first.
That's why I've always thought Liston would have Tyson grabbing his ankles, in a manner of speaking. He couldn't have pulled that first round stuff against Ali. And Joe Frazier would have left hooked him into the next time zone.
Re: Dead!!!!
And got the absolutely worst corner help during that fight. when his eyes started to swell they did not use any ice or compression on him-they used a soft balloon filled with cool water. I don't know of course, but i could swear the corner had a lot of money bet on the other guy that night(odds were about 50 to 1). As far as getting through the first round with him-you had to keep him outside-early in his career he was well coached in getting in under or around the jab and just terminated you from inside. If you want to see a first round fighter-check out the old Acorn-Earnie Shavers. If you survived the first 3 minutes you could win but very few did.
Agree completely with your assessment of his coaching and handling. When he was first being brought along everything was hand picked for him. His opponents, his food, his exposure to the media, everything. When that support system left or broke down or died-the weaknesses were exposed. As far as how anyone would compete against Liston-impossible to know. No one wanted a piece of Sonny for so many years that he was pretty old even when Patterson agreed to fight him. Everyone ducked him for some very good reasons. I am not even sure anyone knew his correct age when he did eventually get to be heavyweight champ or how old he was when he faced Ali.
And got the absolutely worst corner help during that fight. when his eyes started to swell they did not use any ice or compression on him-they used a soft balloon filled with cool water. I don't know of course, but i could swear the corner had a lot of money bet on the other guy that night(odds were about 50 to 1). As far as getting through the first round with him-you had to keep him outside-early in his career he was well coached in getting in under or around the jab and just terminated you from inside. If you want to see a first round fighter-check out the old Acorn-Earnie Shavers. If you survived the first 3 minutes you could win but very few did.
Agree completely with your assessment of his coaching and handling. When he was first being brought along everything was hand picked for him. His opponents, his food, his exposure to the media, everything. When that support system left or broke down or died-the weaknesses were exposed. As far as how anyone would compete against Liston-impossible to know. No one wanted a piece of Sonny for so many years that he was pretty old even when Patterson agreed to fight him. Everyone ducked him for some very good reasons. I am not even sure anyone knew his correct age when he did eventually get to be heavyweight champ or how old he was when he faced Ali.
Re: Dead!!!!
You may recall after that first round "knock out" in Lewiston, ME (where referee Jersey Joe Walcott lost the count and Nat Fleisher of Ring Magazine had to signal Joe that 10 had been reached) "Wide World of Sports" did an entire program about the fight. Among the panelists, Rocky Marciano, who said he hadn't seen the fight. After viewing the video, the Rock said he couldn't say what he thought of the fight. Clearly indicating some skullduggery. I've always thought Liston took a dive. He figured he was giving away 15 years or more to this kid and was never going to be able to beat him. Go down, take the money, and head to Vegas as a greeter.
The idea that a guy who'd never been knocked down, let alone out, who had fought 7 rounds with a broken jaw against Cleveland Williams, was KOed by a jab, thrown by a guy who was backing up at the time (in the first round, no less) is simply not credible. And the fact that Liston got back up on his feet, fighting and throwing punches, until Jersey Joe stopped it because the count had reached 10 tends to prove the point. Nothing against Ali, he was magnificent. But he was 22 or 23, fighting a guy who may have been 40. Check out some of the Liston videos on You Tube. He had the most lethal jab, maybe in history. It was like being hit by a brick.
As you well know, Cus also managed Floyd Patterson. And it practically took an act of Congress to get Floyd into the ring with Sonny. Cus ducked the guy for as long as he possibly could. Two fights with Liston, two first round KO's. Sonny came from the era when boxing was really mobbed up. He had served time in prison for his "collection" activities for the St. Louis mob. His manager was a guy named "Blinky" Palermo, whom I suspect didn't have an RPI business degree.
Remember when Cassius Clay, Olympic champion, turned pro, he was managed by a group of Louisville businessmen who were going to make certain when he left boxing he wasn't going to be like Joe Louis, owing unpayable hundreds of thousands to the IRS?. Of course, they were all white. And when Cassius Clay became Mohammad Ali, the management changed. And Ali had serious financial problems as a result. I've often wondered if he'd stayed with those guys, would he have had to fight as long and as often as he did? Would he have avoided the punishment that has left him a prisoner in his own body? For sure, the Nation of Islam doesn't give a shiza about him.
Finally, that story about him throwing away his Olympic gold medal because of "racism" is a myth, which was exposed at the Atlanta Olympics, when he was presented with a richly deserved replacement for the medal he had lost.
You may recall after that first round "knock out" in Lewiston, ME (where referee Jersey Joe Walcott lost the count and Nat Fleisher of Ring Magazine had to signal Joe that 10 had been reached) "Wide World of Sports" did an entire program about the fight. Among the panelists, Rocky Marciano, who said he hadn't seen the fight. After viewing the video, the Rock said he couldn't say what he thought of the fight. Clearly indicating some skullduggery. I've always thought Liston took a dive. He figured he was giving away 15 years or more to this kid and was never going to be able to beat him. Go down, take the money, and head to Vegas as a greeter.
The idea that a guy who'd never been knocked down, let alone out, who had fought 7 rounds with a broken jaw against Cleveland Williams, was KOed by a jab, thrown by a guy who was backing up at the time (in the first round, no less) is simply not credible. And the fact that Liston got back up on his feet, fighting and throwing punches, until Jersey Joe stopped it because the count had reached 10 tends to prove the point. Nothing against Ali, he was magnificent. But he was 22 or 23, fighting a guy who may have been 40. Check out some of the Liston videos on You Tube. He had the most lethal jab, maybe in history. It was like being hit by a brick.
As you well know, Cus also managed Floyd Patterson. And it practically took an act of Congress to get Floyd into the ring with Sonny. Cus ducked the guy for as long as he possibly could. Two fights with Liston, two first round KO's. Sonny came from the era when boxing was really mobbed up. He had served time in prison for his "collection" activities for the St. Louis mob. His manager was a guy named "Blinky" Palermo, whom I suspect didn't have an RPI business degree.
Remember when Cassius Clay, Olympic champion, turned pro, he was managed by a group of Louisville businessmen who were going to make certain when he left boxing he wasn't going to be like Joe Louis, owing unpayable hundreds of thousands to the IRS?. Of course, they were all white. And when Cassius Clay became Mohammad Ali, the management changed. And Ali had serious financial problems as a result. I've often wondered if he'd stayed with those guys, would he have had to fight as long and as often as he did? Would he have avoided the punishment that has left him a prisoner in his own body? For sure, the Nation of Islam doesn't give a shiza about him.
Finally, that story about him throwing away his Olympic gold medal because of "racism" is a myth, which was exposed at the Atlanta Olympics, when he was presented with a richly deserved replacement for the medal he had lost.
Last edited:
- Status