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Days Since Last Shooting II

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Brenthoven said:
Laws don't matter, but the underlined does. Our CULTURE needs to change.
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How about a culture of LESS GUNS??? And less bowing down to the NRA/gun industry as if they are a church of something.

When you have the weapons, the want for violence is higher than without weapons.
 
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Brenthoven said:
AR-15 is the same as any legal gun: one trigger pull, one bang. It just "looks sweeter."
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How many more rounds than 6-10 are there in a magazine?

How fast can you empty that magazine?

Both can easily be addressed. Except for mindless people like you who want to have unlimited gun access. So that you can shoot back.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Wife abuser. Child abuser. Bad conduct discharge. Was “confined” (aka jailed) by the US military for 12 months.
That would lead me to believe he would not be legal to possess a firearm much less purchase one.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-patrick-kelley-idd-as-sutherland-springs-church-killer

So where’d he get it? The full force of the law should find and prosecute that.
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Good thing we have guns around that people like this can get. Regardless if it was legal or not.

But we will NEVER actually do anything. Ever. Not until many of you take your heads out of licking the private parts of the gun industry and the NRA and realize that there are actual reasonable things that can be actually done.

Instead, we just get the same old- bad people will be bad. Talk about a predictable response.
 
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Appears if a background check was done it fell through the cracks. All indications based on reporting this morning was that he bought the gun he used. I'm sure the system did everything it could do though.
 
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The estimates are there are 270 to 310 million guns in the US right now.

Please propose a legal solution that retrieves them all.
 
The Sicatoka said:
A gun sale from a dealer requires an FFL (federal firearms license) for the transaction. Plus the buyer needs to be run through NICS (by the FFL) to complete the purchase.

If the transaction happened illegally the provider should be charged as an accessory.
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If it wasn’t a gun dealer who sold him the gun then no license would be required (or background check). Could’ve just been somebody he knew. I believe if you just sell a gun here or there as a “hobby” you don’t need a license to do so. If the seller knew he was going to use the gun to commit a crime, in Texas that’s a class A misdemeanor. 1 year in prison and a $4000 fine. Big f’ing deal.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Just take them away! Duh! Right, alfa? ;)
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Buy back programs work. But, don't let that discourage the helplessness that permeates the NRA's narrative. It should be like anything else. We do what we can knowing we can't prevent everything. Instead, with guns, we do NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. Mental health, nothing. Guns, nothing, existing laws are a joke. And don't say Chicago. Cause Chicago can be traced to Indiana.

Just keep feeding the narrative.
 
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My favorite is that Iowa keeps loosening it's gun laws, saying shootings are a mental health issue. We literally rank 50th in the country in mental health. The Stache closed 2 of the 3 state run mental hospitals on the way out the door to China. He closed the girl's state juvenile center as well, and his successor is looking for an excuse to close the boys one too.

So even if it is a mental health issue, don't lie and say the GOP is trying to fix that, because they're not. They're making it worse.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Buy back programs work. But, don't let that discourage the helplessness that permeates the NRA's narrative. It should be like anything else. We do what we can knowing we can't prevent everything. Instead, with guns, we do NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. Mental health, nothing. Guns, nothing, existing laws are a joke. And don't say Chicago. Cause Chicago can be traced to Indiana.

Just keep feeding the narrative.
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You are aware I think the NRA is nuts, right? And that I have stated I'm for mental health checks? And closing the private sales/gun show loopholes?

Keep to your narrative though that unless you are 100% anti-gun, you obviously are in bed with the NRA. :rolleyes:
 
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bronconick said:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

It's too late to argue this for me, so here's the stats on mass shootings and homicide rate. Y'all have fun.
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Hey bronco, thanks for the info (and nice job Broncs chasing DU over the weekend).

However, here are some other numbers to soak on:

Guns in the US: 270-310 million (estimated, see Wikipedia)
Firearm homicides in the US (2017 to date): 13,158*

Automobiles in the US: 250-260 million (from LA Times article)
Automobile deaths in the US (2016): 37,461

What's interesting in looking for those sources is that the rate of deaths (per 100k) is up for firearms, and drugs, and vehicles. My brain has me wondering if there is correlation/causation between firearms and drugs (see: opioid problem in US); one article I found tried to tie warmer summers to the increasing rates. However, I thought motor vehicle technology is making cars safer, or, is that related to other factors (texting?) as well?


*If you hear a number in the mid-30k area, closer to that of the automobile number, that number includes suicides as on average firearm suicides are nominally 2x the number of firearm homicides.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Back up your statement. I see the stats from Chi-town, the mass shootings (which are defined as 4+ killed at one instance, that's the FBI definition), etc.

How are firearm homicides defined? Per capita? Per shooting (killing vs injured), how?
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Your anecdotes don't change the actual numbers. Bronco posted a couple links, but ffs it isn't that hard to look these things up.


And separately, there is absolutely no reason to compare the safety of guns and cars, ever.
 
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What a shocker, it's an Antifa attacker, and already the morons want to ban guns, which would have allowed the shooter to continue rampaging.
 
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