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Days Since Last Shooting II

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dave122793 said:
So, maybe while we try to figure that out we do something about the gun issue. That’s something we could do now, but we won’t. Thoughts and prayers all around, that’s been helping so much. Guns>innocent Americans.
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I have said multiple times that I'm for mental health checks and close the gun show loopholes. Straight up bans of stuff I'm not a fan of, because it's either unrealistic or it goes against the 2nd Amendment.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Perhaps the churches should be leaving handguns in every pew instead of hymn books. Would let a hero end these things faster eh?
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I know of a couple churches in my area that have people who carry during services. These are folks who are legal and licensed to carry and that are approved by the pastor and church council to carry on premises.

The church secretary relayed this to me as I arrived at an evening mass a bit ago: At an earlier mass than the one I attended someone came in with a backpack. She observed a few parishioners sitting nearby were uncomfortable and they left before the readings were done. (Why they didn’t ask the person to put the bag somewhere else was my question.)

She asked me what could be done. I said post a bag policy and I referred her to look into the policies of some neighboring parishes (see above).
 
Brenthoven said:
I have said multiple times that I'm for mental health checks and close the gun show loopholes. Straight up bans of stuff I'm not a fan of, because it's either unrealistic or it goes against the 2nd Amendment.
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That’s swell, but it ain’t happening and we all know it. Right now you just have to hope you’re not in the wrong place at the wrong time. Someone mentioned things would only change if somebody gunned down 50-60 members of Congress, I disagree. They would just vote for us taxpayers to pay for more security for them, F the rest of us.
 
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dave122793 said:
That’s swell, but it ain’t happening and we all know it. Right now you just have to hope you’re not in the wrong place at the wrong time. Someone mentioned things would only change if somebody gunned down 50-60 members of Congress, I disagree. They would just vote for us taxpayers to pay for more security for them, F the rest of us.
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I agree with all of the above. The only way things will change is if the NRA doesn't lobby anymore, and that ain't happening.

I'm saying all of this, and I'm PRO-gun. Yeah.
 
Brenthoven said:
I don't know how to try and change the culture. I really don't. That IS the key, and if anyone has any insight, I'm all ears. We used to solve things with words then it was with fists, and now it's guns. It's quite frightening and sickening.
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Life is cheap. We are treating our fellow humans as expendable goods instead of as precious assets. That's the observation. How to change the culture is going to require an inspirational leader.

And while the answer to Ned Braden may be "Yes," that will take a miracle. Maybe it's Druids for all I know.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I have said multiple times that I'm for mental health checks and close the gun show loopholes. Straight up bans of stuff I'm not a fan of, because it's either unrealistic or it goes against the 2nd Amendment.
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It only goes against the second amendment because we have politicians with no balls. Does infringe mean NO limits, or does it just mean anyone can own some sort of a firearm? You can honestly interpret it either way. We know the first amendment is all about free speech, but we also know you can be prevented from legally yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. Before the RWNJs got involved in the POLITICS of gun ownership, virtually all Americans accepted there needs to be some reasonable control over who possessed guns and what kinds of firearms needed to be readily available. The slippery slope the NRA warns about as they spread fear of non-whites and foreigners with funny sounding names is actually the reverse of what they speak. They greased the skids in the opposite direction and now a chance to even have a reasonable discussion about allowing someone like me to own a firearm while taking effective steps to prevent mass killings is impossible. And we know they are effective because we've seen other countries do it and I don't see millions of them trying to get to America so they can own auto fire assault rifles again.
 
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The appears to be merit to the reports of “good guy with a gun”.

As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and engaged that suspect.
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https://news.grabien.com/story-texas-dept-public-safety-armed-citizen-engaged-killer-ending

More details from the NY Post:

Authorities said the armed neighbor may have saved countless lives by opening fire on Kelley and forcing him to flee the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs during his 11:30 a.m. massacre.
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http://nypost.com/2017/11/05/hero-neighbor-got-his-rifle-shot-at-texas-church-gunman/
 
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Most likely, someone privately sold him his gun (or guns) and that sale should only legally take place through a 3rd party that can complete a background check. I’m calling it a night so I’m not going to try to look it up now, but I’d guess that in Texas the sale itself was either legal or the penalty against it is minor. I hope I’m wrong.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
The bottom line is the President's response to Vegas and New York and their differences. This country is massively screwed up and stupid when it comes to law enforcement. Yet, Trump attacks the Judicial System in instead which is the one part of the system that actually functions.
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Point of order:

It appears the LV shooter was losing/lost a lot of money went nuts.
The NYC driver did it for religious reasons.

Different root causes for the attacks. I don't care what color you are. It's WHY you did what you did that concerns me. So, the racial comparisons between LV and NY bother me. It's bullsh* reasoning.
 
dave122793 said:
Most likely, someone privately sold him his gun (or guns) and that sale should only legally take place through a 3rd party that can complete a background check. I’m calling it a night so I’m not going to try to look it up now, but I’d guess that in Texas the sale itself was either legal or the penalty against it is minor. I hope I’m wrong.
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A gun sale from a dealer requires an FFL (federal firearms license) for the transaction. Plus the buyer needs to be run through NICS (by the FFL) to complete the purchase.

If the transaction happened illegally the provider should be charged as an accessory.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I don't know how to try and change the culture. I really don't. That IS the key, and if anyone has any insight, I'm all ears. We used to solve things with words then it was with fists, and now it's guns. It's quite frightening and sickening.
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You keep saying this, please back it up with some facts. Firearm homicides are way down from the 90s.
 
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jerphisch said:
You keep saying this, please back it up with some facts. Firearm homicides are way down from the 90s.
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Back up your statement. I see the stats from Chi-town, the mass shootings (which are defined as 4+ killed at one instance, that's the FBI definition), etc.

How are firearm homicides defined? Per capita? Per shooting (killing vs injured), how?
 
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Drew S. said:
So a lawful gun owner saves a bunch of people from an illegal gun owner yet all we're hearing is that we need more gun control. That pretty much sums up where we're at right now as a country. Facts don't matter anymore apparently.
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Because we want more people taking the law into their own hands???

Based on this post, we want more people armed instead of less ways for people to kill other people. Which means MORE of these incidents.

Facts- you've got to be kidding me. You are going to pretend that the fact that he was shot by someone other than a police officer that it was a good thing??? Pathetic. I don't see the need for mass vigilantes roaming the country.
 
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