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D3 scores 2014-2015
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gojackets
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That might come back to haunt them in 4-5 weeks...
gojackets
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
I'd say it had to do with a combination of things. 1st--someone has to be #10 in a top ten poll. The week before Bowdoin was 10 and Superior was just outside at 11...and that probably should have been flipped. Bowdoin got swept by Middlebury this weekend and have 1 win in their last 5. Yes, Superior split with Eau Claire...but Superior just had an off day.
Considering it was a tie for 10th between those two...that the voters said..."Well someone has to be there" and 5 picked Bowdoin and 5 picked Superior. Even though neither of them are really deserving of the top 10 ranking at this point...but who else would be there?
There's Lake Forest, but I don't know if they've done enough yet to get there 5 of their 9 wins are against Marian, Finlandia, and CUW who they also lost to. They got handled by Adrian, lost to Gustavus and Stevens Point. There only good wins are one against Point and a sweep of St Norbert.
I think the bigger/funnier question is...How does Oswego get votes after getting swept by Plattsburgh...did they get votes because they didn't lose that badly? Heck the week before they barely beat Chatham...
I'd say it had to do with a combination of things. 1st--someone has to be #10 in a top ten poll. The week before Bowdoin was 10 and Superior was just outside at 11...and that probably should have been flipped. Bowdoin got swept by Middlebury this weekend and have 1 win in their last 5. Yes, Superior split with Eau Claire...but Superior just had an off day.
Considering it was a tie for 10th between those two...that the voters said..."Well someone has to be there" and 5 picked Bowdoin and 5 picked Superior. Even though neither of them are really deserving of the top 10 ranking at this point...but who else would be there?
There's Lake Forest, but I don't know if they've done enough yet to get there 5 of their 9 wins are against Marian, Finlandia, and CUW who they also lost to. They got handled by Adrian, lost to Gustavus and Stevens Point. There only good wins are one against Point and a sweep of St Norbert.
I think the bigger/funnier question is...How does Oswego get votes after getting swept by Plattsburgh...did they get votes because they didn't lose that badly? Heck the week before they barely beat Chatham...
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gojackets
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
I wouldn't be shocked if it ended today and River Falls got in over Middlebury. I would say Superior and Stevens Point are probably done...It is hard to tell who that last team would be if all the favorites win their tourney and Platty/Elmira get the 1st Pool C that other one is a crapshoot. Superior would have to win out to have a shot, including sweeping River Falls and Stevens Point...which would knock them down a peg or two..
I wouldn't be shocked if it ended today and River Falls got in over Middlebury. I would say Superior and Stevens Point are probably done...It is hard to tell who that last team would be if all the favorites win their tourney and Platty/Elmira get the 1st Pool C that other one is a crapshoot. Superior would have to win out to have a shot, including sweeping River Falls and Stevens Point...which would knock them down a peg or two..
gojackets
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
There are 3 Pool C's. 1 is going to Elmira/Plattsburgh. In your scenario, one would go to Adrian. Who would get the third if not UW-River Falls?
There are 3 Pool C's. 1 is going to Elmira/Plattsburgh. In your scenario, one would go to Adrian. Who would get the third if not UW-River Falls?
gojackets
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
Even though I'm willing to bet that River Falls will make it this year, barring two major upsets in the conference tourneys, this was a risk the WIAC schools took when they decided to break off from the NCHA. The benefit that they've had the past couple years is that the East is only a 3 horse race Elmira/Plattsburgh/Norwich and the necessary NESCAC team. Once the eastern teams start to improve...it might become more common for the WIACs to be left out.
I'm guessing Hello is looking at Amherst getting in over River Falls. I would really hope that Strength of Schedule would put River Falls in over Amherst. Their schedule is incredibly weak. They lost to Norwich and tied Middlebury twice.
Even though I'm willing to bet that River Falls will make it this year, barring two major upsets in the conference tourneys, this was a risk the WIAC schools took when they decided to break off from the NCHA. The benefit that they've had the past couple years is that the East is only a 3 horse race Elmira/Plattsburgh/Norwich and the necessary NESCAC team. Once the eastern teams start to improve...it might become more common for the WIACs to be left out.
I'm guessing Hello is looking at Amherst getting in over River Falls. I would really hope that Strength of Schedule would put River Falls in over Amherst. Their schedule is incredibly weak. They lost to Norwich and tied Middlebury twice.
CrossCheck
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
Incredibly weak? The nescac is head and shoulders the toughest conf. in D3...top to bottom. Barring an upset in the conf. tournament, Middy and Amherst both get in.
Incredibly weak? The nescac is head and shoulders the toughest conf. in D3...top to bottom. Barring an upset in the conf. tournament, Middy and Amherst both get in.
PrezdeJohnson09
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
I don't think Amherst is "DEFINITELY" in by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't think Amherst is "DEFINITELY" in by any stretch of the imagination.
gojackets
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
Sorry but this got me going...
How do you even figure that? Just because they play each other tough in the conference, does not mean that they are the toughest conference...that means they are all equally mediocre.
Teams that the NESCAC has beaten out of conference:
Cortland (3x)
Plymouth State (5x)
Holy Cross (3x)
S. Maine (5x)
Nichols (3x)
St. Anselm
New England College
Univ. of New England
St Mikes (2x)
UMB
Hamline
St. Olaf
St. Thomas (2x)
Canton
Potsdam (2x)
Utica (2x)
Marion
Sacred Heart (4x)
Salve (3x)
Marian
Manhattanville
Castleton
Gustavus(Middlebury)
Norwich (Middlebury)
The combined record of the teams that they have beaten out of confernece, only counting each record once, is 173-257-48, subtract Middlebury's wins over Gus/Nor and its 142-251-45 (or .375).
They have lost to
Norwich (2x)
S. Maine
Adrian (2x)
Manhattanville
Oswego
Elmira (2x)
Holy Cross
Salve
Utica
Castleton
The teams that have beaten them have a combined record of 123-61-23 (or .650)
There is no way that NESCAC is the best conference.
UW-River Falls easily wins the comparison to Amherst. RF has the 3rd highest SOS according to the PWR, Amherst somehow has the 6th, River Falls has quality wins, Amherst does not.
I actually would argue that Stevens Point would get a nod over Amherst if they win out the regular season. They have the 2nd highest SOS and have more quality wins.
Sorry but this got me going...
How do you even figure that? Just because they play each other tough in the conference, does not mean that they are the toughest conference...that means they are all equally mediocre.
Teams that the NESCAC has beaten out of conference:
Cortland (3x)
Plymouth State (5x)
Holy Cross (3x)
S. Maine (5x)
Nichols (3x)
St. Anselm
New England College
Univ. of New England
St Mikes (2x)
UMB
Hamline
St. Olaf
St. Thomas (2x)
Canton
Potsdam (2x)
Utica (2x)
Marion
Sacred Heart (4x)
Salve (3x)
Marian
Manhattanville
Castleton
Gustavus(Middlebury)
Norwich (Middlebury)
The combined record of the teams that they have beaten out of confernece, only counting each record once, is 173-257-48, subtract Middlebury's wins over Gus/Nor and its 142-251-45 (or .375).
They have lost to
Norwich (2x)
S. Maine
Adrian (2x)
Manhattanville
Oswego
Elmira (2x)
Holy Cross
Salve
Utica
Castleton
The teams that have beaten them have a combined record of 123-61-23 (or .650)
There is no way that NESCAC is the best conference.
UW-River Falls easily wins the comparison to Amherst. RF has the 3rd highest SOS according to the PWR, Amherst somehow has the 6th, River Falls has quality wins, Amherst does not.
I actually would argue that Stevens Point would get a nod over Amherst if they win out the regular season. They have the 2nd highest SOS and have more quality wins.
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
I don't know what SOS resource you reference, but here is a link to current KRACH:
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/krach/d-iii-women/
Amherst SOS is #7
Wisconsin-RF is #8
Wisconsin-SP is #6
Funny how the best teams have the highest SOS, eh???
I don't know what SOS resource you reference, but here is a link to current KRACH:
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/krach/d-iii-women/
Amherst SOS is #7
Wisconsin-RF is #8
Wisconsin-SP is #6
Funny how the best teams have the highest SOS, eh???