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D3 scores 2014-2015
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PrezdeJohnson09
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
Pretty impressive performance by Adrian tonight to not only go into Gustie and beat them, but also nearly outshoot them by double. That DOES NOT happen to Gustavus.
I'll be moving them up in my rankings this week.
Now we can talk about Adrian being a top team in the west
Pretty impressive performance by Adrian tonight to not only go into Gustie and beat them, but also nearly outshoot them by double. That DOES NOT happen to Gustavus.
I'll be moving them up in my rankings this week.
Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
Elmira 5
Norwich 3
Saw the second half of the game, and haven't seen either team much to evaluate their performances. But Elmira looked to the faster and sharper team, dominated possession. Norwich defense looked strong for the parts of the game I saw, it was 4 -3 when I picked up the game late in the second, with Elmira getting a ENG with about 10 seconds left.
Elmira 5
Norwich 3
Saw the second half of the game, and haven't seen either team much to evaluate their performances. But Elmira looked to the faster and sharper team, dominated possession. Norwich defense looked strong for the parts of the game I saw, it was 4 -3 when I picked up the game late in the second, with Elmira getting a ENG with about 10 seconds left.
gojackets
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
So to kill time I was wondering if the NESCAC is overrated..especially with there being a lot of close calls against what you would assume to be inferior teams. My counts might be wrong but this is what I came up with as far as the NESCAC vs other conferences...I guess its hard to tell there. I was surprised by the desparity in NESCAC vs ECAC-E and NESCAC vs ECAC-W. Is it always that big of a difference?
vs ECAC-W
4-3-2
vs ECAC-E (alot of games against the bottom of the east)
26-6-4
vs MIAC (mainly against St. Olaf and Hamline)
6-0
vs NCHA
1-2
So to kill time I was wondering if the NESCAC is overrated..especially with there being a lot of close calls against what you would assume to be inferior teams. My counts might be wrong but this is what I came up with as far as the NESCAC vs other conferences...I guess its hard to tell there. I was surprised by the desparity in NESCAC vs ECAC-E and NESCAC vs ECAC-W. Is it always that big of a difference?
vs ECAC-W
4-3-2
vs ECAC-E (alot of games against the bottom of the east)
26-6-4
vs MIAC (mainly against St. Olaf and Hamline)
6-0
vs NCHA
1-2
HockeyEast33
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
Many of the ECAC-W games are against Plattsburgh, Elmira, and Utica (all good teams) which is why they are so balanced - the NESCAC teams seek tough schedules usually. Most of the NESCAC schools are quite a ways from the ECAC W teams which is why there are so few games. The ECAC-E only offers Norwich as significant competition.
Many of the ECAC-W games are against Plattsburgh, Elmira, and Utica (all good teams) which is why they are so balanced - the NESCAC teams seek tough schedules usually. Most of the NESCAC schools are quite a ways from the ECAC W teams which is why there are so few games. The ECAC-E only offers Norwich as significant competition.
Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
I wish the East & West played more games against each other. West being mid-West. The ECAC East has more than Norwich?
I wish the East & West played more games against each other. West being mid-West. The ECAC East has more than Norwich?
CrossCheck
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
this year? pretty much.
I don't think NESCAC is "the best" Conf meaning it has the NCAA Champion every year [harder to do when you have admission standards]...But I have no doubt that it is the Best Conf "Top to Bottom"....basically on any given weekend, any team can win, and any team can lose...and many of the teams are top 10 [or should be ranked]...Add in the academics, and yes...far and away the best conf in hockey
this year? pretty much.
I don't think NESCAC is "the best" Conf meaning it has the NCAA Champion every year [harder to do when you have admission standards]...But I have no doubt that it is the Best Conf "Top to Bottom"....basically on any given weekend, any team can win, and any team can lose...and many of the teams are top 10 [or should be ranked]...Add in the academics, and yes...far and away the best conf in hockey
Hammer
We'll be back.
Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
If that proposal gets passed by the NCAA, it's going to be just the opposite.
If that proposal gets passed by the NCAA, it's going to be just the opposite.
gojackets
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
So Bowdoin goes 1-1-1 on the week against supposedly lesser competition and stays at number 10, while Superior defeats a good St. Scholastica team...
Yes I know the rankings don't matter, but wonder the logic again.
Interesting results in some of the west matchups this week...
Adrian squeeking out a tie vs. Concordia-WI 4-4, and then eeking out a 2-1 win the next day.
The UWSP/Lake Forest Split
Gustavus being down 1-0 to Augsburg with 8 minutes to go in the game and getting two late goals to win it.
St Thomas tying St. Kates. A bunch of weirdness!
So Bowdoin goes 1-1-1 on the week against supposedly lesser competition and stays at number 10, while Superior defeats a good St. Scholastica team...
Yes I know the rankings don't matter, but wonder the logic again.
Interesting results in some of the west matchups this week...
Adrian squeeking out a tie vs. Concordia-WI 4-4, and then eeking out a 2-1 win the next day.
The UWSP/Lake Forest Split
Gustavus being down 1-0 to Augsburg with 8 minutes to go in the game and getting two late goals to win it.
St Thomas tying St. Kates. A bunch of weirdness!
CrossCheck
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
I would have to agree on the Bowdoin comment...they are a good team...but certainly not great. They will end the season as a mid-pack NESCAC. How they stay at #10 with the week they had [6-3 loss to Southern Maine???] is a mystery. Perhaps there is a bit of the "Old Boys" bias??
I would have to agree on the Bowdoin comment...they are a good team...but certainly not great. They will end the season as a mid-pack NESCAC. How they stay at #10 with the week they had [6-3 loss to Southern Maine???] is a mystery. Perhaps there is a bit of the "Old Boys" bias??
gojackets
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
I know that there are 15 ballots that get counted. I believe it is mostly coaches and there are some alternative voters whose votes count if the coaches don't get their ballots in on time.
Whoever the USCHO D3 women's editor is gets one of the alternative votes. I know Derek(Prez) submits a ballot and he is Norwich's (?) SID or at least he was.
I'd say as with any year...
1 should be Plattsburgh and 2 should be Elmira
3-7 could be any combination of Norwich, Middlebury, Adrian, Gustavus, River Falls
8-10 should be a combination of Stevens Point, Amherst, Superior, Lake Forest and I guess Bowdoin.
My whole point the other day is that its hard to judge how good Norwich or Middlebury really is based on their competition. Norwich is 10-0 against bad/mediocre teams and 0-2-1 against good teams. Tonights game against Plattsburgh will help with that. But if they lose, they are supposed to lose, so does it make a difference?
Middlebury is 6-0 against weak competition with some fairly close calls, 1-1-2 against decent teams (Amherst and Trinity--but are they even decent?) and 1-1-1 against good teams(Gustavus and Elmira)
Gustavus' losses are to Middlebury in OT and Adrian--but they have that confounding tie to St Olaf but they also tied Plattsburgh in miraculous fashion.
Adrian has lost to no one, but has some befuddling ties in there.
River Falls only has lost to Stevens Point (once), Gustavus (once) and Bethel...the only negative loss there is Bethel.
I would disagree with whoever said that the NESCAC is the most competitive conference top to bottom---thats the WIAC but yes I know its only a 4 team conference--but Eau Claire isn't even a pushover all the time.
I know that there are 15 ballots that get counted. I believe it is mostly coaches and there are some alternative voters whose votes count if the coaches don't get their ballots in on time.
Whoever the USCHO D3 women's editor is gets one of the alternative votes. I know Derek(Prez) submits a ballot and he is Norwich's (?) SID or at least he was.
I'd say as with any year...
1 should be Plattsburgh and 2 should be Elmira
3-7 could be any combination of Norwich, Middlebury, Adrian, Gustavus, River Falls
8-10 should be a combination of Stevens Point, Amherst, Superior, Lake Forest and I guess Bowdoin.
My whole point the other day is that its hard to judge how good Norwich or Middlebury really is based on their competition. Norwich is 10-0 against bad/mediocre teams and 0-2-1 against good teams. Tonights game against Plattsburgh will help with that. But if they lose, they are supposed to lose, so does it make a difference?
Middlebury is 6-0 against weak competition with some fairly close calls, 1-1-2 against decent teams (Amherst and Trinity--but are they even decent?) and 1-1-1 against good teams(Gustavus and Elmira)
Gustavus' losses are to Middlebury in OT and Adrian--but they have that confounding tie to St Olaf but they also tied Plattsburgh in miraculous fashion.
Adrian has lost to no one, but has some befuddling ties in there.
River Falls only has lost to Stevens Point (once), Gustavus (once) and Bethel...the only negative loss there is Bethel.
I would disagree with whoever said that the NESCAC is the most competitive conference top to bottom---thats the WIAC but yes I know its only a 4 team conference--but Eau Claire isn't even a pushover all the time.
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Birdwatcher
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
8 minutes left in the third...Plattsburgh 4 Norwich 0
Final 5-0 Plattsburgh
8 minutes left in the third...Plattsburgh 4 Norwich 0
Final 5-0 Plattsburgh
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Transplanted Tiger Fan
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
Final:
Elmira - 4
Williams - 2
Final:
Elmira - 4
Williams - 2
HockeyEast33
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
Pretty accurate in the East barring some significant change, except for the NESCAC. The NESCAC is the most competitive in years - literally 6 teams have a legit chance of running the table in the playoffs (Middlebury, Amherst, Bowdoin, Conn College, Trinity, and Williams) and Middlebury looks vulnerable almost every weekend. I'd say its anybody's to win. The other three are probably set pretty much in stone. It would be shocking if anyone in the ECAC-E could beat Norwich (would require a massive goaltending stand). In the ECAC-W, even if Plattsburgh or Elmira lost prior to the conference final (probably to Utica or Oswego), the other will win the conference and the loser will be the East at large bid.
Based on the results of Adrian and Gustavus against the East, I'd say it will definitely be a 4-4 split this season (which as a reminder is not a requirement).
Pretty accurate in the East barring some significant change, except for the NESCAC. The NESCAC is the most competitive in years - literally 6 teams have a legit chance of running the table in the playoffs (Middlebury, Amherst, Bowdoin, Conn College, Trinity, and Williams) and Middlebury looks vulnerable almost every weekend. I'd say its anybody's to win. The other three are probably set pretty much in stone. It would be shocking if anyone in the ECAC-E could beat Norwich (would require a massive goaltending stand). In the ECAC-W, even if Plattsburgh or Elmira lost prior to the conference final (probably to Utica or Oswego), the other will win the conference and the loser will be the East at large bid.
Based on the results of Adrian and Gustavus against the East, I'd say it will definitely be a 4-4 split this season (which as a reminder is not a requirement).
gojackets
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
I'd say Plattsburgh/Elmira/Norwich for sure, as the other guy/gal said..the NESCAC is up in the air.
I disagree with the west. SNC is in 3rd in their conference right now. Lake Forest has a lot left to prove at this point with games against SNC, Adrian and River Falls. They win 2 of those 3 and they should be considered ahead of SNC.
I'd think it would be hard for two WIAC teams to make the cut this year. The reason 2 made it last year was that they were so dominant over the MIAC teams--Gustavus was 1-3-2 vs the WIAC, St Thomas 2-3. That isn't the case this year, both UWS, UWSP and UWRF have lost to Gustavus. If Superior wins 6 of 7, as 123 stated that puts them at 19-6, you assume a loss to River Falls, say River Falls wins 8 of its last 9. They are at 21-4. Stevens Point has a very tough schedule ahead. I don't know if UWS is good enough to win 6 of those 7.
If St. Norbert were to win out--which I think is pretty unlikely, that puts them at 18-6-1, or Lake Forest wins out--which is also unlikely the are 16-5-2. I'd put the WIAC teams ahead of the NCHA teams...personally.
The MIAC others probably won't be in the running as #2 St Thomas and #3 St Marys both have 2 against Gustavus left and have done poorly against the WIAC.
SO maybe 2 WIACs get in again this year. The worst case scenario there is that they all split against each other in the upcoming series which would kill all their records. Or, of course, Adrian or Gustavus lose in their conference tourneys.
I'd say Plattsburgh/Elmira/Norwich for sure, as the other guy/gal said..the NESCAC is up in the air.
I disagree with the west. SNC is in 3rd in their conference right now. Lake Forest has a lot left to prove at this point with games against SNC, Adrian and River Falls. They win 2 of those 3 and they should be considered ahead of SNC.
I'd think it would be hard for two WIAC teams to make the cut this year. The reason 2 made it last year was that they were so dominant over the MIAC teams--Gustavus was 1-3-2 vs the WIAC, St Thomas 2-3. That isn't the case this year, both UWS, UWSP and UWRF have lost to Gustavus. If Superior wins 6 of 7, as 123 stated that puts them at 19-6, you assume a loss to River Falls, say River Falls wins 8 of its last 9. They are at 21-4. Stevens Point has a very tough schedule ahead. I don't know if UWS is good enough to win 6 of those 7.
If St. Norbert were to win out--which I think is pretty unlikely, that puts them at 18-6-1, or Lake Forest wins out--which is also unlikely the are 16-5-2. I'd put the WIAC teams ahead of the NCHA teams...personally.
The MIAC others probably won't be in the running as #2 St Thomas and #3 St Marys both have 2 against Gustavus left and have done poorly against the WIAC.
SO maybe 2 WIACs get in again this year. The worst case scenario there is that they all split against each other in the upcoming series which would kill all their records. Or, of course, Adrian or Gustavus lose in their conference tourneys.
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